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Brake pad recommendations (spirited street/occasional track)

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  1. Vinsanity

    Vinsanity Formula Junior

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    Polling the collective wisdom present: does anyone have a brake pad (make & compound) recommendation that will be a good performance/rotor-wear compromise for a little light track use? I'm heading up to Lime Rock Park in a few weeks and plan on circling the illustrious perimeter with my old horse a few times. Relevant goals: stay on the track, and don't eat through my rotors.

    My mostly-stock 308 QV isn't going to be generating any mach speed numbers approaching the braking zone on the Sam Posey straight, but the stock brakes are tea saucer-size (by modern standards) so I figure I'll run though a set of pads pretty quick. Should I just stick with organics or up the game (and noise) with semi-metallics?
     
  2. BruceKaf

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    Vinsanity, I don't have any suggestions but interested in when and with what club you're coming to LRP. I am about 35 minutes away and might want to bring my 84 308 to join you
     
  3. flash32

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    How about the Porterfield brakes - different levels of pads compound to suit your driving style - call them
     
  4. Vinsanity

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    FCA Empire State Region is hosting the event 30 JUNE to JULY 1. See their website for details: https://empirestateregion.com/events/lime-rock-track-event-summer-2023/

    It would be really sweet to have another 308 QV out there on the track. Definitely a video-worth moment. And if you're only a 35 minutes away, its a much cheaper weekend for you. I'm coming from the DC area, and staying in East Canaan. PM me if decide to go; the more the merrier.
     
  5. Vinsanity

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    That's probably what I'm going to end up doing. I wasn't able to glean enough from their website to be confident deciding which compound to buy. Thanks.
     
  6. ginoBBi512

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    Factoy OEM or Porterfield will do just fine in my experience .

    G
     
  7. pshoejberg

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    I recommend standard soft type break pads for road and light track days. I installed hard style "racing" break pads on my 308 years back when I was younger and less experienced (Read "stupid"). Regretted that immediately - Had to revert back to standard pads to stop the car with acceptable pedal force. In these slow cars standard pads are the way to go.

    Best, Peter
     
  8. Vinsanity

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    And I suspect that the organics have gotten better over the years as well, so there's that. Having grown up driving on drum brakes that were only marginally more effective than opening the door and putting your left foot flat on the ground, I tend not to ask much of my brakes anyway--even when driving a modern performance car that will put my face into the windshield. That is something I am trying to get past however, since I know my lack of faith in the binders is causing me to leave a lot of performance on the table (and more importantly) impacting my enjoyment. Hence why I am willing to experiment. I had not considered the increased pedal forces however. Good point.
     
  9. Dockboy

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    Got to Autozone and get the cheapest pads they have! You are not going to see any appreciable difference between those and pads that cost 5x as much!

    The most important thing is to bed the pads and rotors properly immediately after they are installed.

    Search google for bedding brakes. Heat brakes up, 5 hard braking from 80 to 10 mph, drive around not braking to let cool.
     
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  10. Vinsanity

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    With my local Autozone, I'd have to go in the back and find the pads myself. They are 100% manned by people who know nothing about cars. And pretty much all they sell is snake-oil crap to get your old hoopty-wagon staggering down the road a couple more miles.

    So if I'm going to pay shipping to get pads, I might as well get good ones. I don't fully buy into the argument that there is no qualitative difference there. If I end up in the gravel-trap, I'd rather not have to wonder if the outcome would have been different had I bought something besides the cheapest possible brake pads. (I'd rather be left with the unavoidable conclusion that I suck at driving. At least that's curable with experience and training. Being a cheapskate, on the other hand, is a chronic condition for most.)

    You know, The Commonwealth of Virginia's Finest will tell you that such activities constitute "reckless driving," and/or "exhibition of speed."
     
  11. Dockboy

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    Sorry you feel it's below your stature to walk into an Autozone and give them a part number (D31 & D45 by the way) because you own a Ferrari:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    The brake system on the 308 is what it is. If you want better braking, you will need to upgrade the WHOLE system, not just the pads. I've owned my 308 for 45 yrs. and it has close to 200K mi. of "spirited street/occasional track" use on it. I've probably changed brake pads multiple times more than you have changed your oil and have tried just about every kind and type of pad out there. The Placebo effect aside, there is not a drastic difference in performance between $20 and $200 pads. But, if it helps your ego to spend hundreds of dollars for pads, go right ahead!

    And, regardless of what pad you end up with, if you don't bed them in properly (especially if you are going to the track) you may as well do nothing at all.
     
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  12. Vinsanity

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    The problem is, they don't even know HOW to look up a part #. I'm serious. I've tried. Even the NAPA here is bad. I used to buy parts for my Ferrari at an O'reilly's years ago, and had no "ego" problems about it. This isn't about ego. I'm all for easy. I've made parts of my car myself or modified things from more common sources to keep my car running or make it better, so no, I'm not one of those "yellow box only, please" Ferrari owners.

    That said, here's where my perspective comes from: I've spent a couple decades risking my life professionally in equipment manufactured by the lowest bidder, and done engineering mishap investigations on fatal crashes that resulted from failure of indifferently manufactured components. I may be willing to compromise on a cosmetic component for my car, but when it comes to control and safety systems, no thanks. I'm actually a habitual tight-wad on most things (ask my wife!)--in fact, I'm probably more of a cheapskate than you are, though I'm not proud of it--but there are things that I don't want to go the lowest-bidder on.

    Regarding your answer to my original query, I'm inclined to believe you that the difference in stopping performance is trivial, since you are clearly basing that on a significant amount of experience, but there are still going to be variances in qualities like feel, noise, or rotor wear between different makes and compounds, even in the most affordable categories. I didn't ask how much I should expect to pay; I asked for a recommendation on a specific pad type that people here have had favorable results with. If someone had suggested $300 pads made out of rainbow dust and unicorn testicles, they would have to make a pretty good case to me that they're better than $99 Porterfields RS4s--but I would try to keep an open mind. And if they convinced me somehow, I might actually shell out the money, albeit reluctantly.

    Yes, of course, and don't forget the most important part: the rubber thingies that actually touch the road. Tires I think they're called. (or is it tyres?). I've heard they have some impact on vehicular performance, but what I do I know... I'm just an egotistical punter who's never bedded-in a set of brake pads, and is too stuck-up to shop for parts for my fancy car at an Autozone.

    Sorry of my response rubbed you the wrong way. Tone does not always convey in text, and my sarcasm is not to everyone's taste. if nothing else, I admire you for putting almost 200K on your car and keeping it 45 years. I'd like to be able to make the same claim someday.
     
  13. Dockboy

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    I apologize for my sarcastic response;)

    I only go into an Autozone, NAPA, or the like with a specific part number that I have already researched. You are right, the kids behind the counter are lost if they can't punch a make and model in the computer.

    If you are looking for optimum braking performance, you should try bedding in the brakes one time! Unlike just changing to a different pad, there IS a drastic difference in performance if done properly! I understand how dicey it can be to try in the Northern Virginia/ DC area (I have lived there) but well worth it!

    To perform the procedure, find a 6-8 mi relatively straight back road where you can reach the speeds you need. Go out early in the morning when there are few vehicle's on the road. When driving to your "spot", do some medium braking from say 50 to 30 to get some heat in the brakes. When the brakes are up to temp, accelerate to 70-80 then aggressively brake to about 10. DO NOT STOP COMPLETELY! Accelerate to 70-80 and repeat. Do that 5 times. You will start to get some brake fade and smoking on the last couple, but don't be alarmed. After that, drive around easily for about 15-20 min using the brakes as little as possible to let them cool. It is important to try and not stop completely with the brakes on until the brakes cool. You are impregnating pad material in the rotor and if you stop while they are hot, the pads will pull the material off. The rotors will turn from a shiny surface to a blueish grey surface. That is what you want.

    You will be amazed the difference in the braking performance after that!
     
  14. johnk...

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    Try Rockauto.
     
  15. sltillim

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    If you can - make sure you have some fresh and quality brake fluid in there too! People often overlook this but its probably more important than the pad and a greater cause of failure. This will boil over well before you go through your pads and you will lose your brakes. If this has not been changed in couple years, the probability grows. Motul 600 or a DOT 4 fluid change would be a worthy upgrade for a track day.
     
  16. GT4:13432

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    Have a look into Remsa pads if you can find in your location. I’ve been using them for years in my road cars. OEM quality, easy on rotors, cost effective, much better stopping power in my experience and rated to 650 deg C which is much higher than most OEM quality pads.
     
  17. GT4:13432

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    And certainly upgrade your brake fluid as slyillim just recommended. I use Amsoil brake fluid in my cars.
     

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