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2023 Canadian GP: Post Race Analysis

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  1. SS454

    SS454 Formula 3

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    The traditional tracks always seem to be that little bit more exciting. Even though this race didn't have a lot of passing, which is shocking, there was always that risk of a mistake which can be very costly. That kept some interest.

    Red Bull say the track didn't suit their car that well, but Max was still able to dominate with another grand slam. It appeared that he would push for 1 or 2 laps to get out of DRS range, and then was conserving the car after that. Perez on the other hand was a disappointment. With that car and it's incredible straight line speed should have been able to progress up much much easier. He made very few passes on track even. The car had the pace to beat the Ferrari's, but apparently not in the hands of Perez.

    Aston Martin brought an enormous upgrade to Canada and it appears to have worked to some degree. Didn't get to show the pace off in quali, so hopefully there are some chances for poles this season. Theoretically AMR hasn't even found the sweet spot in the setup with the new package given how little dry running they did in Canada. Alonso killed it again. Doubt he had a shot at Max, but the fact he was anxious to try is still great to see. Stroll another flop but he did squeak his way into the points.

    Mercedes look good with their upgraded car. Their race pace has always been strong, but they are podium contenders each race now. Curious how the car will be around circuits like Silverstone. Hamilton had a great start, which is a quality of the Mercedes that isn't talked about enough. Russell continues to lose ground to Hamilton with a self induced error. Hopefully he can get his form back and continue to make this teammate battle exciting.

    Ferrari finally got a strategy right, despite most thinking it was a bad one. At the time of staying out during the SC, it didn't make sense to how Ferrari was going to make it work. Especially with their history of eating tires. Yet they managed to get the Medium tires to last and ran their race perfectly to the best result we could hope for. P4 Charles, P5 Carlos.

    Williams brought a big upgrade, but only for Albon. The right decision as he made the most of it and then some. Very doubtful the car is good enough for regular P7 finishes, but the Canada track suits the Williams and they did a great job to get excellent points. Logan naturally struggled with the old spec car, but didn't get much of a chance to change that with an early retirement.

    Alpine looked okay. The speed differential between the 5th and 8th placed cars, Alpine are managing to put some space in the WCC. Ocon could only be graded as okay, as he definitely had a faster car that Albon, just couldn't even make an attempt at a pass. Gasly likely would have been in the points if it wasn't for his quali misfortune.

    Alfa Romeo scoring points with a very good drive from Bottas. He needs it with the struggles he has had so far. Zhou didn't look so good in comparison to Bottas this weekend.

    McLaren appear to have thrown a good race down the toilet. Good qualifying result with both cars in the top 10. Pace didn't look too bad from drivers in the race. But as the laps counted down, they made some mistakes, and just ended up moving backwards. Lando the fastest driver definitely appears to have deliberately slowed the pack under the SC which deserved the penalty. It was super cringe to hear Ted Kravitz cry like a British fan boy. Even his own peers didn't support him.

    AlphaTauri are in such bad shape. Doesn't help their driver line up is awful. Yuki has improved but he is still a long way off of being a top tier driver. The fact that De Vries is so much worse suggests his job in F1 has to be at risk.

    Haas couldn't have had it much worse. P2 in quali, only to get penalized and dropped to P5. It was a fall off a cliff from the first lap. That car simply does not have any race pace. Fascinating since it has a Ferrari engine and a Ferrari design and we know Ferrari struggle the same way.

    Driver of the Day: Alex Albon. Upgraded, but still a crap car and held on to P7 while under pressure the entire race. Great job.
     
  2. fatbillybob

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    Albon DOD deserves it. Race was a sleeper. I fell asleep and woke up did nor miss anything.

    The real stars are the commentators who make another F1 snoozefest interesting.

    I'm really questioning my overzealous action to pay stupid prices for F1 Vegas...
     
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  3. tatcat

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    Why does fourth and fifth feel like a victory
     
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  4. SS454

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    I hope Vegas turns out to be a winner just for the amount of people that will go in significant debt just to attend that race lol.
     
  5. SS454

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    Probably because they look to be the 4th best team which means 7th and 8th should be their best result (6th and 7th when factoring in the Stroll variable). And it's a lot better than being in the hunt for a win and watching the team or drivers finding a way to throw it away over and over again.
     
  6. fatbillybob

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    Truth! This will be a $15k weekend as an observer more than when I go racing behind the wheel.
     
  7. SS454

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    Damn
     
  8. Javierix

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    It doesn’t feel like an actual victory. But it feels good to see actual improvements in the car, and a race day when no one screws up. When’s the last time we had such a convergence?

    It’s just good to have some reason to hope things will go in an upward trajectory.
     
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  9. Edward 96GTS

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    you can do Monaco for that price and eat well and gamble at the casino.
     
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  10. fatbillybob

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    yeah…. I was too lazy to fly. Definitely my bad.
     
  11. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    When we think any driver can just jump into 'any car' that is fast and balanced, and do well - Look at Perez this year. Its not that simple.

    As far as old tracks and effects on driving - Russell: "For sure, it is a difficult pill to swallow, but that's how sport should be, once you make a mistake, you should be punished for it."
     
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  12. 375+

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    Perez looked fine until his crash at Monaco. He's been chasing it since.
     
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    It will be interesting to see if the tire degradation issues have been resolved going forward. The long stints on mediums were very encouraging for Ferrari. Now if they can get a little more straight line speed...
     
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  14. DF1

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    He has been chasing something lol. Frustration is apparent. I can see the team looking around for a potential replacement if he does not improve greatly by Spa. He is just not getting the most out of the car at all currently. If he is not getting into Q3 then there is something not just the car. Will be interesting to follow him more. I thought he would have a super year. Not yet.
     
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    Sergio may hold onto his seat purely by virtue of his being more professional (and willing to be 2nd) than the alternatives.
     
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  16. tonyc

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    It really does feel like a victory, even though we thought it was a mistake in strategy not to bring the cars in for tire changes during the safety car period.
     
  17. william

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    To be honest, I see that qualifs are becoming a bit of a lottery sometimes. There is the issue of traffic first, compounded with the fuel load, the right tyres at the correct operating temperature, and the clock ticking that makes the opportunity window very difficult to get sometimes.
    You must have noticed that not all teams are good at guiding their drivers and send them on the track at the best moment. Some teams don't bother, it seems, to choose the gap, other prefer to help only one of their drivers at the expense of the other.

    In the long run, I hope teams will realise it's counter-productive to treat drivers as comsumable and throw them out after a few bad performances. They should work more at helping them, mostly when they have already proven their worth like Perez did.
    We have seen Red Bull changing drivers at an alarming rate in the past; where did it got them? Every time they had to start afresh with a period of adaptation, let the newcomer settle, and after several racess found that the replacement wasn't better than the driver they rejected: Kvyat, Gasly, Albon, etc ...
    I think the frustration is with Red Bull, because of their expectations.
     
  18. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    FA has more podiums than Sergio Perez.....
     
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  19. furoni

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    I wonder if Perez is driving the same car as Max, it surely doesn't seem like it....
     
  20. CRG125

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    Nope, Max is just driving on another level. No one will come close to him this year unless he crashes.
     
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  21. jpalmito

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    Saw an interview from Pierre Waché just after the race on French television about this precise topic.
    According to him the two Red Bulls are absolutely the same.
    Max is just too strong for Perez.
     
  22. furoni

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    The race in Miami was very suspicious to me. I know Max is good on saving tyres, but he isn't better than perez, how come he was so much faster on much older tyres? it makes nos ense to me.
     
  23. furoni

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    I know Perezs is not on the same level as Max and Charles or Lewis, but still, he's not slow. By the way, saying he's the king os ftreet circuits is just idiot, if one looks at his vicories there, they mostly came at the expense of other misfortunes, Like max tyre blowout, or Charles box strategy.
     
  24. SS454

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    Perez being a street circuit king is one of the biggest myths in current F1. I did the research and like you said, he was just a beneficiary of other's misfortune. But the media pushed that narrative, probably to try and get people to actually think someone can challenge Verstappen. Plus he is an extremely popular driver, so gotta give hope to the Perez fan base.
     
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  25. william

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    It seems some people have a problem understanding the basic fact that 2 drivers in the same team can deliver different results.
    So, Stroll is not as fast as Alonso, Sainz than Leclerc, Perez behind Verstappen, de Vries behind Tsunoda, Sargeant slower than Albon, shouldn't really come as a surprise.
     

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