thanks for the quick response and feedback. the 765 LT is amazing..... I had a ferrari 430 scuderia and had no vibrations and that car was extremely raw. I am not sure if I could handle that much vibration after a meal ... LOL.... the good thing is that I would be thinner, hey Robert... are you getting anything to eat..... nope, I'm good, I will eat when I get home - LOL
For those who are in search of a singularly immersive, raw, unfiltered, invigorating, exhilirating, and adrenaline inducing super car that is blistering fast, with steering that is tactile, precise and direct, coupled with tenacious grip in hard cornering which all combine to elevate the visceral excitement of the driving experience and enhance the sensation of a tactile connection to the car, there is only one choice- 765LT.
I can say, that a couple of friends that have had a lot of cars including but not limited to SF90 etc.... say the 765LT is the best all around car they have ever driven. It is exactly what Coincid stated above ... now back to the PISTA... which is still one of my favorites.... gives you everything for how we (or me) drive them. the Social aspect as well as the driving experience. my vote is the Pista ... I have a F8 with a Pista Stripe _ LOL..... when I pull up they say, love the Pista,,,,, I say... you mean you love the Pista stripe, this is a f8..... so thoughts on the Pista ???
Sounds like the Pista that matches what you’re looking for. I love mine, nice balance between aggression and civility.
Image Unavailable, Please Login The F8 is 80% or more of the Pista. Very similar driving dynamics but less visceral excitement with a softer, easier going personality. The Pista offers more connectivity to the driver, enhanced handling and grip on track with steering that offers slightly more feedback. If you rarely or never track, the differences are subtle but noticeable.
Drive a 296. Once off the line, it accelerates slightly harder than an SF90, but has a playful feeling of agility that is missing in virtually all the Ferrari's being discussed here. It feels far lighter and smaller than it really is and, after all, 830 hp can't be a bad thing. They also sound better, imho, than the V8's. Sadly, for you, it is also very civilized! Ah, but into each life some rain must fall.
What does "raw" even mean? Car makers try to tune unwanted frequencies out of the cabin. People who want to feel vibrations should just buy a 2-stroke dirt bike...
The 765 is intriguing but I don’t love the way it looks and it’s a bit over styled to me. I’m sure it drives incredibly though - I still can’t get that 675 out of my mind
Not raw enough. If I had one complaint about the Pista is that it is too, um, easy to drive. I have now daily'd the car for over 17k ODO. Not sure if that says more about the car, or me.
Had a Pista for 3.5 years. Really enjoyed it. Can’t say one negative thing about it. But I enjoyed my mclaren more so Pista is sold. May add it back in the garage in the future when we move into a. Bigger home. there is no right or wrong answer. All amazing cars. Enjoy whatever you end up with. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wow with that much mileage did the suspension get loose over time? Still pretty solid? Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Jeez, I would HOPE that 17k miles wouldn’t loosen or weaken suspension! (Or anything else) How is that even a question? Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
That is a ridiculous question. The suspension will not deteriorate by driving it. They are cars. They are made to be driven. Perhaps in Ferrari Land 17000 kms equates with the car being ready to put to rest.
I got involved in Ferraris in the early seventies. Over a lot of years, the cars that don't get driven much seem to have the most issues. Many exotic car owners seem to be saving the car for the next guy. IMHO, drive 'em. I am occasionally offered some pretty interesting exotics. My favorite was probably about five years ago. It was a Euro spec F40 with something like 60-70K km on it. Cosmetically it was a twenty footer. When you got close, you could see rock chips, some small blemishes in paint, etc. It had the fitted luggage, which had some scratches and stains. It will forever be my favorite F40, as I am sure it ran like a rocketship and was as reliable as a Swiss train. AND it was cheap. Didn't make any difference, I couldn't give it away. Everybody wanted a low mileage one....
Serious question. Suspension parts have rubber bushings, rubber ball joints, shocks, strut rod bushings etc, these parts can wear out. Maybe the pista doesn’t have any wearable suspension parts…I’ve had German cars that have had to have all these parts replaced and when I did, car felt much more taught/responsive and just like it was when new..that’s all was just wondering if Ferraris were this way, new to brand so I ask… Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I have had 2 dozen super cars - 10 Porsches, 5 Lamborghinis, 2 Ferraris, 3 MBs, Mclaren etc with some being driven from 20000 - 65000kms and none had deteriorated suspensions at 17000 kms or more.
It’s a car. Everything will wear given strong enough use so not a stupid question. 360/430 platform used suspension arms as a consumable. And don’t get started on McLaren suspension maintenance. Horrifically expensive and needs to be completely bled and set up every two years (at least according to Mac dealers). According to them performance is seriously affected otherwise. They have to do it about three to four times because it is so difficult to do that it doesn’t work the first few times and as you can imagine, not at all cheap. As with all of them, there are certain peculiarities. Even Porsche. Get one not serviced by a decent place or owned by an owner who can’t really afford to be an owner and there is a list as long as your arm of stuff that may well have been missed. Much of which will affect the way the car goes. 17k km for an exotic is usually a few years and many people buy exotics not to drive like it’s a Ford Fiesta, plus with so much power and pace but lightweight build there is an immense amount of energy usually going through the chassis. Coincid is basically right though. These days, with a good owner, most cars can easily do high mileages but the inevitable added maintenance is essential to keep on top of. So it is mostly correct to say high mileages are no problem but they introduce the need to ensure you see plenty of evidence of maintenance. We have a Speciale with 14k fast miles on it. It has been faultless. Same for our Pista Spider at 6k miles - the 458/488/F8 chassis seems to be pretty reliable and strong. The Speciale is maybe not ‘quite’ as sharp as when it was new but it is still a precise drive. We had a 12C with 11k miles quickly put on it and it was also faultless. The last 10+ years has seen more investment and much better user experiences - Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini - all have left their money woes behind them and know the benefit of designing and building it well to avoid expensive customer intervention and aggravation. But if you don’t get a good one, beware. The cheapest cars are almost always the most expensive.
I have both 991 GT3 touring and a Pista. I will keep the pista if I have to sell one of them. The Posta is at a different level in terms of price, driving experience and quality.
