I that specific case, it wasn't stolen or taken from a car. It's a "bitsa"; and not a 308 tool roll at all, not a 328 tool roll either. Those bidding should know that they will have to fork at least 500 additional U.S dollars to make something out of it. (See our favorite thread about "3x8 tools" ("Unofficial 3x8 tool kit specification") Trying to stay brief: a. The tools are the "last 3x8" combination: pliers with large plastic sheath on the handles, Kravm wrenches, Screwdrivers with the white Ferrari script on red-brown handles: 1985 to 1989, either a very late production QV or a 328...BUT: b. it's all wrong! 1. missing at least one screwdriver, and these are not easy to find at all (the large flat blade being the rarest, followed by the small flat blade, then the large Philipps and...the small Phillips, the easyiest to find (relatively speaking, and they need to be matched, the white Ferrari script should be in the same orientation, the handles the same red-brown translucent color): say $ 150 for the missing screwdriver. 2. missing the combination wrench so typical of the 3x8s (open-mouth 14 on one side, eyelet on the other side) which goes on the spark plug tool which is entirely missing too...308s have bigger plugs than 328s, so there are two spark plug tools, one for 14mm plugs, the other one for 12mm plugs. 14 mm Kravm combination wrench, around 100 to 125 U$; spark plug tool, about 175 to 200 if you are lucky. Add Packing and Postage, you are easily at $ 500, and you will have to wait a few weeks until you find the missing tools depending on how lucky you are (I would say a few months for the screwdriver) c. this set seems to be one from a Testarossa too roll (missing one screwdriver) as it has the set of kravm wrenches typical for a Testarossa: eight wrenches with a 14/15, instead of eight wrenches with a 14/14 combination wrench typical of the 3x8. BUT the tool roll itself is definitively from a 3x8, as it has the spark plug tool pocket at right of the pliers; "Testarossa" tool rolls do not have a pocket for the spark plug tool, as there is no spark plug tool in their tool roll. My guess is that: - it's a set of tools for a "Testarossa" (if it was for a 3x8, we would have the 14/14 combination wrench and the spark plug tool, but no flat 14:15 wrench, which is specific to the "Testarossa") - in a 3x8 tool roll. No problem with that, if it was advertised as such; as it is, it will ever be $ 500 short of a 3x8 tool roll... "Caveat emptor"; if you know exactly what you are bidding for, no problem for me. If you think you are bidding for a late "3x8" tool roll, then you will wake up $ 500 short of it. (Plus, it won'do for any 3x8 before 1985) Rgds
They have a tow-eye welded to one of the chassis bars in the right front wheel well; it's shown in the owner's manual, and both of my "euro" '89 328 have it, I have checked. Although it looks rather flimsy, and considering the overhang of the nose, any cable attached to it looks prone to damage the undersides of the spoiler... BTW, don't know how you guys do in the US, but here in France, should the car need to be towed, you'll better warn the towing company of what car it is, that it's low and had quite a lot of front overhang, Otherwise...the standard towing trucks won't do. Rgds
TR had a spark plug tool but was in the jack kit. When the cars started having low hanging fiberglass spoilers the tow hooks came into being. In the USA flat bed trucks with hydraulic tilting beds have been the norm for many years. The cars are winched up and typically some wood ramps are used in addition for low cars like ours. The screw in tow hook receptacles are stronger than they look and only really used to pull car up, not to hold it. In my experience tow companies regularly used by Ferrari dealers and shops will eventually get their own hooks in the various thread designs to avoid problems related to owners who are unaware of the hook or its location. I also keep a full set in my tool box should a tow truck I have hired need one. Over the years so many people take tool and jack kits plus the books out for safe keeping in the home when they are actually needed no one can find them. In 90% of the cases of missing tools or books that is why they went missing. If left in the car you always know where they are and you always have them when needed.
An original complete tool kit's only "real" value are for those that like to compete in a recognized concourse (as in not a "caffeine and octane" sat morning showing in a mall parking lot), for people that like buy and sell for maximum value, or for people that just like a "complete" car. That last group they are optional. First two groups aren't if you want to score maximum points or money. For the rest of us that buy them to drive and enjoy, use a missing tool or tool kits to your advantage when negotiating price. The more they are worth, the more you can knock down the price. Good for us. I have been sniffing around some carbed B's. I don't give a **** if they have a tool kit or not but if it's gone or incomplete, its great for me if we get down to pricing since so many (justifiably) place such a high value on them. You can make your own tool kit and set it up to suit your needs like I have. What I need (based on some unfortunate first hand experiences over 30 years in a 308) or suspect I will need are all in a zipped canvas bag in the trunk. Bulbs fuses flashlight and all the basics are in there. I'm good to go without spending hundreds on tools I don't want to get dirty. Keep these things in perspective
"Wtf with crazy prices for tools?" : Because idiots are prepared to pay crazy prices for tools! If people didn't pay the stupidly high prices, the prices would come down to sensible levels. At the end of the day, paying stupid money for the original tool kits is just willy waving! - You're never going to use the original tools to work on your Ferrari (a whole lot of people who buy them NEVER work on their Ferrari themselves), because if you use them, then you will devalue them. At the end of the day, if you have more than enough money to pay for an original tool kit : Fair play to you - Go for it!, if that's what you want to do For those on a more limited budget, such as myself - A working class guy who has been lucky enough to accumulate enough money to buy a Ferrari: Don't waste your money on a toolkit you'll never use! There are far more important things you could spend the money on, to help you enjoy your car!
I have used mine, in both cars, more than once. They actually work,. Quite well I might add. But then some of us actually drive our cars, sometimes a long way from home and stuff happens. As for their value you obviously came up a little short in economics class. "The market is never wrong". Your second sentence is very amusing. Is there anything on planet earth that statement does not apply to?
I tow mine, you never know. Btw original Ferrari screwdrivers hurt to use, they are meant for soft delicate hands Image Unavailable, Please Login
I always read this section because it shares some information with my 3.2 Mondial, but you might want to check if you have a tow hook/eye. Mine was too short and would only thread in about one and a half turns, I did a production run of a few extenders, and have some materials to make a few more. It is my understanding that the testerosas have the same problem with tow eye length. First pic is the original tow eye, third pic is with the extender added. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
308 / GT 4 . Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login You need a strap to wrap around .
I have a pretty much complete toolkit for my 78 GT4. For years I wondered d if the tools were original as they are of such low quality - but now I know they are the real thing. I have used the plug wrench quite a few times now and it works well. I do also have a backup of modern tools and sockets in the rear boot for ease of use.
I get it, if you just have to have it, you'll pony up the going rate. What I don't get, regarding the current prices of tool kits is...the tools are absolute junk. Given the prices, you'd expect the tools to be the equivalent of Italian Snap-On (if such a thing exists). You could assemble an equivalent tool kit of the cheapest China junk Harbor Freight tools they sell and have better quality. I consider myself lucky that my car came with a complete tool kit and Jack kit. The only thing lacking is some of the items in the bulb/fuse kit. I have no problem going out and purchasing replacement parts for it, if I knew what all a complete kit had in it. I'm certainly not interested in paying a premium for "original" items to restock a bunch of Class IX items. (Sorry. Class IX is a reference to "expendable items" in the U.S. Army supply system). Carter
Oh, and I meant to add... Good thread, and thanks to the OP for starting it. There's a lot of good info (and valid points) within for an old Italian car, but new Ferrari owner. Also, The tools in early air-cooled Porsche 911s are junk too... Carter
I think most Ferrari owners were shocked when they saw their car's tool kit for the first time...Not fitting for cars in this price range.
You might find some answers in this thread: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/unofficial-308-tool-kit-specifications.505898/ Rgds
You can buy all the tools you want but eventually you'll end up not having the one you need. Or, if you get as old as me, you've got the darn thing but can't remember where you put it.
When I did the research on tool kits, all I want was some info for people who wants to complete their tool kits as much as possible since the kit is essentially part of the car. I reckon there are people like me who simply want to complete the car, not for show purpose nor to use them. Those $2000-$5000 kits were there already and seems most of them are still there just a little rise in price. There were owners completed their kits in one way or another without spending as much. So it really depends on how patient you are to assemble your kit. And frankly, quite a few kits of that price are not even complete. There are cheaper alternatives out there that pops up from time to time. And myself got more than one kit that way. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Wholeheartedly agree, Steven. I still think that any price above $ 1.000 for a complete and original 308 tool kit is sheer madness. Not convinced that these do sell indeed for these asked prices, BTW. Should one be ready to part with a "not so small sum" of dollars to complete his tool kit, the thread still is an invaluable source to avoid spending too much money on tools said to be "authentic" and that are not so much authentic, or period correct, in the end. Nothing infuriates me so much as to spend top dollars for something that, in the end, is not correct. So bless the thread for that. Perhaps this is only me being unable to "adjust" to the new reality, remembering only ten years ago , when you could buy a complete and original 328 tool kit for € 200... Rgds
This whole thread kind of reminds me of buying the luggage sets. I bought a 328 set and a TR set. I think I paid $1000 each with bags keys etc. I think it was a good investment. I have a large collection of owners manuals and dealer network books. Probably have $3000 or so into the collection. Several of the books are worth half of that alone. Again, a good deal I think. A friend a few years ago wanted a 575 and had a choice between an F1 and a 6 speed. 6 speed was 50 grand or so more. He got the F1 because it was a better deal. Its worth, I dont know $150,000 or so? I sent him an ad the other day for a 6 speed for over $400,000. I'm still trying to figure out which was the better deal. Our TR was bought with less than 1000 miles for less than 1/3 of what it sold for new. We have driven it ever since. Its won the National Preservation Award, its Classiche certified. Has all books, tools, cover, luggage and 2 owner history. Its not for sale but we have turned down some high offers for it. It was a pretty good deal too. I don't buy any of this as an investment. I buy it because it makes me happy but if you're smart it will make you money too.
