I agree I agree! This thread was highjacked after real solutions were summarized as you listed. Many ways to fix it. Mine was another I felt I should share to remove the pressure. Yes it’s just a latch! Certainly does not warrant shipping a car to get fixed or developing an expensive solution that is kept in a secret vault. It’s silly.
I did use your method with a spacer and it worked fine. The other way was just easier. It's all about removing pressure and with new seals the problem is worse and the newer rubber is way more dense.
Well, that’s pretty much what everyone has been saying for decades about Daytona vent window latch failures and their various fixes, some better than others, but I do agree, “its a … latch” and as long as the car owner is pleased with their chosen fix, who cares, right ? It’s just a frigging car ! No need to get stressed about it.
I agree. To me the spacer was as easy and I preferred not to modify the latch in any way. The rubber does seem to put way too much pressure before the mod. Like Kevin showed, my window spalled and had a chunk of glass shaved off. Definitely needed a modification of adding a spacer or shaving the latch/plastic.
I must say though, I'm a bit surprised that someone like Mr. Gunderson with extraordinary access to numerous Dinos over the years has not taken interest in determining whether an underlying cause (& potentially another cure) for this problem of excessive "pressure" (causing the latch failure) in them truly exists or not and if yes, why. While I’ve corrected it in few Daytonas, it only took me one, the first I ever worked on nearly 20 years ago, to figure it out and yes, I could've resorted to any of the aforementioned "easy" fixes, but I’ve been known for some OCD behavior and persistence, including wanting to understand "why" any problem exists in the first place.
JEEEEEEEZZZZ enough!!! Seals are different sizes and each requires a little finesse. Please stop the nonsense!!
Please calm down Mr. G, it’s not healthy to get wound up over something like this. We all know these are just a cars and just latches, but someone made a comment of this being a forum to share ideas, yet when I do, some here either don’t like my ideas or the way I deliver them and instead, they get upset.
The design problem is glue technology 50 years ago and the degradation over time. Modern adhesives are much better and more stable, but the problem is 50 year old glass as can be seen by other examples. My glass shattered. Glue it on, relieve the pressure by whatever method suits your OCD so the latch doesnt touch the striker plate, leave it closed and forget about it. There is no magic bullet other than fitting a different vent window.....with a hole.
I never said or suggested any “magic bullet”, but I did noted “a possibility” of Dinos having similar underlying manufacturing flaw I discovered in Daytonas when my inherent curiosity (& OCD) got the better of me +/-20 years ago after hearing/reading/seeing countless complaints/stories about this very issue in them. And yes, same “3” or “4” commonly known remedies were applied on them at the time and still are today, but all I was suggesting is that people, especially restorers, working on Dino could stop and think (& perhaps explore) this “possibility” of an underlying* cause. Instead, some here found it easier to just get mad at/upset with me for suggesting such and refusing to publicly share and spoon feed details of my discovery and solution on Daytonas, but as some say… “Oy vey !” * You know, kind of like people who have some electrical problem in their car, find a blown fuse and “fix” the problem by just replacing the fuse, but don’t bother thinking that fuses don’t usually blow unless there’s some “underlying” problem to cause it. But like I said, everyone has their favorite “fix” for this in their Dinos and if they’re happy with it… Perhaps I just take vintage cars and their repairs/restorations too seriously ?
One of the things I enjoy about the Dino community is how willing people are to share parts and information. By working together, we help preserve and enjoy these cars. Having been the beneficiary of other generous owners over the years, I'm alway happy to share in return. To, it's all about pay it forward/give it back.
Although I’m not part of “the Dino community” per se, I do agree about sharing some helpful information on this forum in general and have received/shared more than plenty (although much of it privately), but I’ve also learned there’s always some who don’t really appreciate it enough and/or aren’t necessarily worthy of the effort.
Hi, I have been reading through this and trying to determine what the mystery is surrounding the solution. You might want to read through this thread to gain a better understanding of what is discussed on the Daytona in regards to the vent window. It seems it has to do with handmade nature of construction which is reinforced by unique component numbering associated to each car. Sounds like each vent window not necessarily made unique to each car and structual modifications might be necessary to alleviate allignment and stress issues. Anyway this is the link. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/daytona-vent-window-latch-adhesive.332127/
Having owned two Dinos and currently the owner of a Daytona I can say with certainty that the vent window design (and design flaw) is identical. I recently replaced my vent windows with NOS SECURIT glass. Very expensive but lucky to source them. It appears that the base piece was glued in place by the glass manufacturer or by Ferrari. Edward 96GTS has the best solution-keep the latches unlatched!! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I wish to make clear the use of following quote is NOT intended as a personal attack or insult to its author, but rather just a seized opportunity to demonstrate why I often find public forum comments by those without reasonable, let alone extensive hands-on experience and/or in-depth technical understanding of construction of the subject they're commenting about, not to mention inability(?)or unwillingness to dispassionately research/study the subject beyond seemingly superficial and often "easiest" approach quite disheartening, especially in light of that other, more or less similarly inexperienced readers, current and future, may (also) not be able to differentiate between the claims made by these individuals and reality or at least, unable to consider other and perhaps more likely contributors. I also often wonder if these types of individuals approach all other aspects of their lives, especially their profession, with similar "easiest-way-out" mentality. But hey, like someone already aptly pointed out "it's (just) frigging latch !" I mean how can someone like that make a claim the vent window DESIGN is flawed on Daytona and identically on Dino ??? What other DESIGN flaws these two car models commonly share ? Does anyone care to "share" their list or thoughts on them ? Has anyone ever brought this (or any other) DESIGN flaw(s), i.e. mistake(s), up with Mr. Fiorovanti and/or Mr. Brovarone and if yes, what did they say ? I realize many here think I don't know much either, but I'm willing to accept that and usually try to construct my technical commentary accordingly, i.e. without absolute claims, and the claims or comments I do make about any technical issues, while perhaps not always as absolute or simplistic as some would like, they are usually based on fair amount of aforementioned hands-on experience and in-depth research/studies, along with reasonable consideration afforded to potential misunderstandings by other readers, current and future. I also realize the internet and discussion/sharing forums within it, including this one, contain so much misleading/-interpreted information that my small efforts to offer something to correct or counter any of it is far beyond difficulties of someone without any limbs trying circumnavigate around the earth without any mechanical or physical assistance from anyone. P.S. I would expect or at least hope any concours judge worth their reputation to issue deductions for unlatched vent windows, unless the presenter has (photographic ?) proof that the judged car came from the factory with latch(es) already broken off or without any. Rant over.
Timo, rant away, its good to clear the soul! All the solutions work, some not up to your standard but anything else is correcting the design flaw. I have looked at this when my glass shattered one day, for no reason and tried all the solutions mentioned thus far on the other door. I never got around to investigating changing the lower pivot point angle or mounting so plumped for the easy way out.
I have always believed that our forum was designed to share our knowledge and passion for these wonderful automobiles and perhaps above all else, have fun. Lately however I have felt that I am walking through a minefield.
The reason I replaced my two vent windows was that sometime in the car’s distant past an owner scored the glass for better adherence. Unfortunately the scoring was sloppy and extended far beyond the periphery of the latch base. My OCD simply couldn’t live with it!
Some folks are looking for improved functionally/durability/reliability rather than pure originality. Their objectives are not the same as yours and so different solutions are available to yours. You need not disparage their commentary or solutions if they're not appropriate for you and the concourse judges. Prefacing your comment with "this is not a personal attack" doesn't make it less rude. It would suffice to politely say that if you are intending for your car to be concourse judged, this solution could cost you points - and leave it at that. All the best, Andrew.
@NeuroBeaker Andrew, is there a possibility your use of the above quote is slightly out of proper context ? That “rant”, if you will, was not about (or wasn’t intended to) compare different methods of fixing something (that was already done earlier in this thread), but rather about the comment I quoted merely as an example how people, probably just well meaning, may make claims they may not be able (or willing ?) to prove. Another such example was recently posted in “Vintage” section about a certain brand hose clamps and I, after reading and finding the claim/comment potentially misleading, asked for clarification for which a simple picture would’ve sufficed as proof, but the author decided not to reply, hence potentially misleading someone else to make a mistake based on it. So much for sharing with “community”. But I agree, I probably should’ve left the last minute concours/judging comment out to prevent. And I best stop commenting/sharing altogether since much of mine seems to get taken out of context or misunderstood, probably due to my limited (non-native, self-taught) writing skills.
I think you touched on the key issue that has been mischaracterized as "being mad". One user gets on here and disparages the various approaches, yet does not actually contribute in the way of solutions. Instead, a much better solution is dangled as being achievable but apparently only to the ones that can afford and appreciate this undisclosed solution. The disparagement continues by claiming that this undisclosed solution could be independently discovered if one was even a little experienced and even minimally educated and imbued with common sense. The backhanded insults continue by drawing an analogy of our other solutions as being much like a hapless person only replacing a fuse rather than looking for the root cause. Bottom line is I'm happy for this person to bask in their self-confident glow of having their own secret solution to this design flaw, but I'd say I would prefer a more mutually respectful approach to every one's approach. It was and is rude. Perhaps one simply has to step back and reread what they have written to see it. I suggest this person starts a separate thread entitled "I have the best latch repair for Daytonas and maybe Dinos but you can't have it" so that us mere Dino owners just trying to fix these cars are left to discuss our simple repairs.
Someone had a specific issue with a window and in their view it was a design flaw (subjective statement from anyone and fine to make). You seemed to take great unnecessary offense at the labeling of his issue as a "design flaw" and lambasted them for failing to prove it's a design flaw. Although you edited out the person's name from your quote, it's obvious you were rudely addressing them. No car is perfect, they all have their flaws and quirks, which is why we love them. The view that the discussed repair or adjustment would/should cost concourse points for being a non-OEM modification is perfectly legitimate and helpful to point out. Someone might not have considered that and might want to factor that into their decision to either proceed or not. However, you should recognize that the vast majority of enthusiasts are not going to be taking their car to be concourse judged and just want to enjoy the experience of driving them, so they're exchanging ideas with a different focus to your focus. All the best, Andrew.
After 3 pages with 98 comments, my latches are in the glove box and there they will stay. The next owner can decide what they want to do - if anything. The car isn't driven in the rain, and I've never thought about the latches while I'm driving. I have only had he car judged once, when I was tricked into it, (and two very knowledgeable judges didn't mention their absence). I remain amazed and appreciative of the level of expertise that is freely share here - a tribute to these wonderful cars and the good people that love them. Just my 2¢...
