2022 812 GTS Stolen

Man, that’s so great to hear. The positive is, they were taking it to resell it so they were probably very careful. Could have been a very different outcome if it was a bunch of joy riders. So glad you got the car back

 

Hopefully this beautiful 812 all be located soon.

Here’s one example what can happen.

 

My database contains more than 1'000 stolen Ferraris between 1991 and 2023.
And the wild 1970s and 1980s are not included here. Many many dozens were stolen in Southern France and Italy, then went via Marbella, Spain, to Dubai, and then many further to Japan.

Marcel Massini

 

Stolen and still at large, or some have been recovered among that number ?

 

Quite a number has been located again.

Marcel Massini

 

Like needing to insert a key into say the F12?

 

Could you estimate 70’s and 80,s totals ? , targeted models ?


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Out of curiosity - which company is this?

As an owner in Toronto, I was considering installing TAG Tracking system. Wondering if that's what you had.

Thanks.

 

Someone asked the manufacturer this exact question in the comments of their YouTube video:



Commenter: "Can the IGLA device be bypassed by plugging it anywhere in the CAN harness or into the OBD socket and just drown them out, and even turn it off with another electronic device (interfeace) that will unlock the car engine controller?"

Manufacturer's response: "IGLA can't be bypassed using other electronic devices. It's possible to start the car only if you find and remove IGLA physically."

If it's buried well-enough (e.g., where removal requires lifting the car), it should be sufficiently discouraging for thieves to give up.

There is also another article on the manufacturer's website describing several more vectors of attack:

https://author-alarm.com/news/tpost/pg67gkef6r-why-igla-is-your-cars-best-friend

 

That's BS-la.

 

Thank you for your mature, thoughtful explanation of the claim.

 

I explained in detail how a device can defeat it in my post that you actually quoted. It was pretty mature and thoughtful Mr. sigma. The second post was humor. Suggest taking the time to read what you quote. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

No, you did not.

Manufacturer claims that what you suggested is not going to work.

This system assumes attackers' access to inside the vehicle and thus OBD II port and claims being able to access this port (with any equipment) does not defeat this system.

Vendor thought through a variety of much less trivial attack scenarios, so to claim they overlooked something so 3rd grade trivial is at least highly questionable (with proof on the person claiming).

It's hard to find deeper technical details of this system, but if it's put/sits between the ECU and *any* CAN-bus wire going into the ECU, then it can act as a circuit breaker not letting through the 'start the engine' commands until the correct PIN code is entered.

If that's the case, it's electrically impossible for 'patching' (other than right in front of the ECU) you described to be of any use.

If you could 'patch' into the ECU 'in front of' this device, then yes, I can see it being bypassed, but I think it boils down to burying this device deep enough into the car so that it's hard to patch 'in front of' without lifting and stripping the car, which is what I suggested and you didn't address aside from 'BS-la'.

Perhaps you should ready more carefully.

 

Wow. You have exactly no idea what you are babbling on about! Take a course on CAN-Bus. There is no in front or behind as its a multi-drop interface. Meaning any device can be a talker from anywhere on the bus. It can only send and receive messages using the unencrypted CAN protocol like every other CAN device including one that you can program to capture the BS-la messages and stomp on the payload or checksum to deny its ability to function.

But what do I know? I don't have to read carefully anymore. Founded the most advanced ECU laboratory on the East Coast and had most OEMs and ECU companies as clients. We have been doing great things for a many years. It would take only a couple hours to defeat this cheap device and most of that time would be making coffee before getting started! Once the new board is done it would instantly render the BIG-LIA useless as soon as it was inserted anywhere into the CAN-Bus. Congratulations though. 5 posts and I've blocked you. Fastest ever.

 

And that’s the unfortunate truth - you just need a nicely accessible can bus point - in the case of my dearly departed Range Rover - the rear camera Not sure why someone thought that can bus shouldn’t be encrypted.

 

Not just a 3rd party GPS. TAG is really hard to find and operates off a different system (VHF -like wildlife trackers) that can't be jammed either

I was considering but they permanently etch their logo on your glass -I tried my best to see if they could do sticker or something instead considering the collectability/value of my cars but management flatly refused, so no TAG for me

 

Does anyone know what makes the anti theft light blink very fast

 

F owner crowd indeed is a very special one. No richest in fchat and definitely no smartest in fchat. Your ethos figuratively destroyed his previous counter arguments. I am not buying the device.

 

Amazing to hear so congrats.
Especially with that long waiting period.
However, about that break in period.......

Get the car to the dealer, have it inspected and sorted out.
Once you pick it up, warm up the engine and when she says "Go" you gdamn freaking floor it!
Anything below 9000 rpm doesn't count.
Life is too short for break in periods on these cars (not even Ferrari advises you to do so!)