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2V intake manifold gasket, important information

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  1. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

    Dec 29, 2019
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    Hopefully a useful post for other users to remind them to not forget about the gasket in the intake manifold, after stripping down my recently acquired car with very little mileage I would never have though about changing this item however glad I did !!
    There are other posts on this item just wanted to share my opinion.
    Looks like the original gasket and with time / maybe lack of use the gasket has swollen where there is a void on the head coolant channels and probably blocked the coolant flow, possible major problem on horizon if not checked. There is a post on how to modify a new gasket to help with this problem.
    Here are a couple of pics to show the extent of neglecting this item. Hope it helps.
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  2. Steve Magnusson

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  3. bitsobrits

    bitsobrits Formula Junior
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    Was surprised with the same issue when doing an engine out service on my car a few months ago. Did the intake gaskets "while I was there" and "just because", then spent several hours cleaning out the cooling passages. I am hopefull the new green gaskets will fare better.
     
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  4. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

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    Hi Steve, Just found your thread and yes very interesting, I’ll certainly be taking your advice when the new gasket goes on [emoji106]


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  5. Andyinfrance

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    BTW just to say the front manifold was a real pig to get off, the rear manifold I managed to remove with a big hammer and a lump of wood to break the seal and a lot of sweat, the front I had to fabricate a tool to help as even a 3lb lump hammer wasn’t touching it !!
    This is how I finally managed, even then my first attempt bent a 10mm threaded bolt so had to upgrade to 12mm !! Eventually came off but took several hours more than it should have [emoji15]
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  6. 2dinos

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    Nice removal tool!
     
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  7. miked

    miked Formula Junior

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    I had the same problem with coolant getting back behind the gasket on the intake manifolds resulting in a good amount of corrosion. I blasted them (glass beads) and filled the voids with JB Weld and finally applied several coats of AlumaBlast in an effort to seal the aluminum as much as possible. I would have painted the manifolds anyway, just put a couple extra coats on the gasket surface. Fortunately my heads were not affected.
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  8. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

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    Wow that’s a considerable amount more corrosion than on mine, I’m hoping to get away with them as they are, and a little gasket sealant when assembled, picture to follow later


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  9. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

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  10. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

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  11. Steve Magnusson

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    I'd say that you're OK without repairing the corrosion as long as the manifold surface is in good shape where it corresponds to making contact with the cylinder head surface (i.e. where it corresponds to clamping the gasket) -- you'll be cutting away much of the gasket over the corroded areas anyway ;). I can't recall if mine had any corrosion like yours (and I ignored it) or if there was no corrosion, but I'm pretty sure it that wasn't as bad as miked's example -- I would've remembered that.
     
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  12. Miklas

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    Your manifolds look almost exactly like mine when I had them off last winter. I did not do anything about the corrosion and just put a new gasket with a light coat of Hylomar on both sides and there have been no leaks so far.
     
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  14. Rifledriver

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    I had one apart about a year ago that with the head still bolted to the motor and a 4 lb compothane hammer beating on the manifold I could not get it loose. It got to where I was worried about breaking the manifold. I finally took the head off, got it rigged up in the drill press and with a long drill bit drilled out all the studs. Bolted it back on the motor and then the 4 lb hammer finally broke it free. After cleaning off both surfaces and grinding away destroyed metal I reconstructed both surfaces with metal filled epoxy and machined it back flat. Repaired all the stud holes and replaced the studs. All done at an hourly shop rate all because someone decided changing antifreeze was a waste of money.

    I did a GT4 about a year earlier. Car was 5 years older and had good service. Engine just fell apart, no rust, no corrosion. Just scraped gaskets and put it back together.
     
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  15. Andyinfrance

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    Can anyone tell me if the 2V fuel injection inlet manifold has the same fixing pattern as the 4V manifold? I.E is it a straight swap to put a 4V manifold in place of the 2V one still using the same plenum chamber ? ( I know the injector direction is different and seem to be more inline rather than the inclined pattern on the 2V )


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  16. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I dont recall if stud positions the same but the ports are very different.
     
  17. Andyinfrance

    Andyinfrance Karting

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    Yep thanks for that, sorry about the stupid question really, just seen photos comparing the two, water cooling channels etc are very different, I should have looked first


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  18. Octonion

    Octonion Formula Junior

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    At 1.1 bar, would the coolant push through these channels even if it is partially clogged by the gasket? How does one determine if it is completely clogged without disassembly? and is this a problem on all cars or just ones that sat unused for a long time? Thanks!
     
  19. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    1.1 bar is not the pressure that creates flow through the system. It is the pressure the entire system is under due to thermal expansion.
    It is only a problem on cars that have had terrible service histories.
     
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