458 Italia valuation

I have a 2015 spider, now with 24k miles. I had a clutch pressure plate sensor go out about 2 years ago. This was not the speed sensor that came up more frequently with DCT failures, but I can say that even later model cars aren't immune to some kind of DCT failure. Car has been good since. The issue came up on 92 deg day when I parked it after being stuck in dense traffic with the AC on. I suspect heat building up in the trans when not moving much may be an issue. Car's been fine since. I took it around NCM on Sunday with no issues. So far so good.

 

Who knows for sure? Just go into your purchase knowing that a rebuild is about $20k and have a budget for it or other unforeseen repairs. You can get an indication if the internal seals in the DCT have failed by changing the fluid and seeing if the fluid has intermixed.

 

Rare, but across all model years with no distinction.

 

That set me back about $9k with diagnostics and labor after a small FCA discount. This was apparently less than the more traditional repairs that we have all heard of because they only needed to take apart the clutch side and not the entire transmission. Diagnosis was tricky because the trans light would only come on after I drove the car and parked it for a little while. The Ferrari tech hadnt seen this before but they eventually got a code P192D "low pressure". They contacted the Ferrari support line for this one of course. When the light would flash, the car felt OK unless you really mashed the gas and then it would hesitate to open the throttle almost. Funny thing is that after the first repair, it came back! I went back to the dealer (MAG Dublin) they took the car and did some kind of hard reset. It's been fine every since and I sure have tested it. Otherwise, its been a solid car.

 

I can go back to 2010. Is there a time frame you are interested in?

 

Some perm fixes that are working:

911 Bore scoring - get the bore re-coated like the Mezger engine

911 IMS- replace with Mezger style oil bearing

911 Coolan Leaks-pin the coolant lines

458/FF/F12/Californias-DCT heat related errors-replace ccp with updated ccp (temp sensor included, replace harness but only if harness is out of spec (older 458 cars may need updated harness)

Just look for a 458 with the ccp already done

 

I think it would be interesting to see since they stopped producing them. 2015 to current would be interesting. Thanks again.

 

Thanks to all for the comments. I appreciate it.
“Look for one where the ccp is already done.” Good tip !
I have a couple of cars going up on BaT over the next week or so. I’ll really start looking hard once they go.

 

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the DCT issues are not heat related but due to wire harness internal rubbing and shorting

 

Thanks, were any design changes made to fix this? If so, when were the changes cut in?

 

No. All years suffer from the potential failure. Rare, but painful if it happens to your car.

But when the DCT is cracked open and the sensors and wiring replaced, the harness is rerouted and provided additional shielding.

This info comes from my Ferrari tech at Ferrari of Atlanta. My transmission is fine, knock on wood, so no personal experience.

 

Yes..new updated non failing ccp (with temp sensor), and if needed new updated non failing wiring harness. Nobody is going back in with dct issues after this fix.

As for the heat causing dct errors or not..ferrari is not there when the error happens and they don't test drive the car long enough to recreate the problem. And it is NOT a catastrophic problem, you don't hear metal clanking in the gear box. The original ccp and harness can't handle the heat...they will never tell you that because it will cost them a lot of $$$$. Just look at customer's receipts....ccp is swapped out, then they test the harness...either do nothing or replace it with the latest and greatest

 

Brakes changed to steel rotors? Bumper repainted to correct “stone chips.” No service records because the owner was doing his own monthly oil changes. Yeah this was a track car.

My 458 was absolutely beat to hell on the track, I know what kind of abuse these cars receive. No chance I would buy a car that has steel rotors swapped from CCM. That means the car was really abused.

I wouldn’t pay a dime over $125k for this car.

 

Pressure plate sensor replacement is about a 3 hour job MAX. It can be diagnosed with a $12 OBD reader from Amazon.

I replaced mine myself. All it requires is taking off a bunch of plastic crap to get to it….takes 3 hours to take all the plastic shields off and 3 minutes to replace the sensor.

Hearing a “$9,000 repair” posted on here doesn’t mean ANYTHING. Doesn’t mean it was a serious issue at all. All it means is Ferrari owners have been completely conditioned and indoctrinated into allowing themselves to be ripped off by dealers. “Ohhh but it’s a Ferrari!” Get out of here with that garbage. It’s a car with a chassis, four wheels, borrowed components from other cars, industry standard parts, and basic automotive systems like cooling etc that is really not much different than any other car in terms of mechanics.

I had an A/C issue. Turned out to be a blown compressor and the compressor needed to be replaced. My car was covered under the power warranty and it was covered…. Was a $6,500 total repair job just to replace the damn compressor! What a joke. The compressor can be replaced in 2-3 hours, then recharge the A/C system and you’re fine. I let the dealer do it just because it was covered, but no friggen way would I ever spend that money on a simple repair job like an A/C compressor replacement.

Unless something involves truly disassembling mechanical components like the diff, tranny, etc where serious expertise is needed, there is NOTHING on the 458 that you can’t do yourself at home with a few tools, a torque wrench, and a $10 eBay copy of the service manual on your phone.

Working on the car is part of the enjoyment. I knowing my Ferrari in and out. And plus….You get to explore the craftsmanship and see the totally **** job Ferrari did assembling the car, the cheap bargain bin **** materials they used to bolt things together, and the terrible robot frame welds that would fail even the most basic welding class in America. It truly is shocking. No one is better at putting lipstick on a pig and brainwashing generations of grown men like Ferrari. But I still love it.

If I took my car to the dealer for everything I’ve done to it, I easily would have spent $150,000 on maintenance and repairs. I am not joking. I tracked my car twice a week and was the king of trackside repairs. I never missed more than one track session. I was out there with zip ties holding up my diffuser that I JB welded back together after it flew off and shattered on track. Only missed one track session. I’ve probably flushed the brakes more than 100 times, probably did more than 50 oil changes, more than 30 coolant flushes, more than 5 replacement of rotors, more than 15 sets of tires…not including the “serious” repairs of issues this is easily $150k at a dealer for what I did.

Learn to work on your own car and you’ll enjoy Ferrari ownership a hell of a lot more than driving around some waxed pretty little car that you’re afraid to drive hard because of a dealer repair bill.

 

admirable and well done but definitely the opposite experience than most of us. Myself included... I'm the guy that drive the shiny, pretty Ferrari around without beating on it... nothing wrong with either type of use.

 

Goto harbor freight and buy a 2 ton low profile racing jack, 4 jack stands, wheel chalks, a creeper to lay on, a headlamp, and a basic automotive tool set and you will have 99% of what you need to work on your 458 and do almost everything yourself. Then get one of us to email you a pdf copy of the workshop service manual.

Just start learning to do very basic things like doing your own oil changes. You’ll realize how easy and satisfying it is to do yourself. Then once you master that, expand from there to bleeding your brakes. Before you know it you’re doing your own full services. Then when something does break or go wrong, you have the confidence to climb under the car yourself, diagnose it yourself, and decide if it is something you want/can do yourself or if you want to just take it to the local independent (and avoid the diagnosis cost).

I’m happy to help anyone on here who decides to do their own work and spend time walking you through things that aren’t clear in the workshop manual…there is almost nothing on the 458 I haven’t disassembled or worked on myself except for removing the engine from the frame.

Nothing like spending an afternoon under your Ferrari. Jay Leno is a good example….does all his own work and still enjoys the finest automobiles on the planet. It is possible to do both. Go buy some old school vintage yellow Scuderia Ferrari F1 mechanic coveralls on eBay to wear when you work on your F car. Don’t be afraid of your car just because it is a Ferrari.

Most of the things that break on the 458 actually break because Ferrari either 1) used low quality materials in their factor and/or 2) poorly designed a particular component. My 458 was better and more reliable than when it left Maranello brand new.

And also, you guys may say “oh but I’m not mechanically inclined…I’ve never worked on cars before.” Guess what- my 458 was the first car I ever worked on. Hell I learned how to work on cars on my 458. Not when I was a kid on a beater…on the 458. If I can do it any of you guys can. I didn’t even know how to do an oil change before I owned my 458.

 

Tavarish? Sounds like someone has some awesome material for a YouTube channel!

 

I actually went to school and worked as an auto mechanic when I was younger. But that was a whole different thing than today’s cars. I don’t think I’d dare work on my F8. Can’t do anything without resetting some code or attaching something to the computer first or having to some sequence or steps. It’s not like the old days of remove and replace.

Can’t even Jack the car up yourself without first doing some backflip of electronic notification to allow the car to be jacked up without sending error codes or alarms or some BS so I don’t even do that… I’d love to take my wheels off just to do some detailing but can’t.


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Yeah….488 was probably the last generation you could get away with DIYing everything without needing a real computer.

I’ll never buy a 296 or other similar modern Ferrari. Nothing but soulless appliances on wheels barely one step up from a Tesla.

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loooool...thats laughable...$150k??? for a clean 458? ....of course the car sold for $183K with BaT fees, an accident on carfax & converted steel brakes...even with those issues thats not a bad deal for red 14' ..unless its a bare bones undersiable color car with issues you certainly won't be getting a 458 for $150K clean title these days...maybe ONE in the past year a yellow one without even LED steering wheel someone got lucky and got for that on BAT but that was an outlier from what the obvious market is.

 

Hey John, it does seem a bit strange to swap out rotors without good reason. Let’s agree track use is vigorous exercise for the car, lol. Your experience about the car’s resilience to track use mirrors my own; I did over 40 track days on the 2013 spider before retiring it in favor of the 458 Challenge, and neither car has let me down - even once.

Love your attitude about doing a lot of the work yourself, if I could justify it, I would. It’s more cost effective for me to pay my local guy to do these repairs, he’s quite good and I trust him.

He also works on the Challenge 458, and I wouldn’t trust myself to do my own maintenance even though the car is cruder than the street version.

The Challenge car requires more trackside maintenance, and I do get trackside support with that. I’ve found it’s too exhausting to both drive and maintain.

I’ve binned two diffusers in the Challenge, slicks don’t last long (especially at Pitt!) and are pricey, pads and rotors are mere consumables, and it’s either in the shop or on the track. And that’s not figuring the cost of 100 octane ($17/gal).

Ah, but the fun factor is phenomenal. Watkins for 7 straight days starting next week!

 

I dig your posts Sir! I’m pretty handy with a wrench and this gives me some confidence !