Hamilton deserves more respect

I'm in a good mood, so maybe some education will help you out a little (who am I kidding, lol):

It wasn't ''outsmarted''. The Red Bull was seriously overweight. Ferrari was much closer to minimum weight and had a flexi floor.

This made the Ferrari a better car. It's not ''outsmarting''. When the weight started to come out, the RB became faster, and Ferrari was under more pressure, and started to push the engine, the drivers and the team. Components started to fail, drivers made mistakes, the team made mistakes every single weekend.

If you call that outsmarting, be my guest.

The only one that has a (very long) history of making stupid statements and shows absolutely no intention of even attempting to learn anything is yourself. It would be a little bit funny if it wasn't actually quite sad.

 

You attach too much importance to the supposed influence of athletes on the deep sociologies within societies.
In fact their real influence is close to zero.

 

+1

Everyone loved Ali.
And yet....


By comparison Hamilton is Marmite. 50/50ish split

 

Pot, kettle.

 

You clearly weren't around in the 1960's. To say "everyone loved Ali" shows that...

Says the guy from...France

 

Oh my lord...make it stop!

In the end, what car won the most races in 2022? Red Bull
What team won the constructors championship in 2022? Red Bull

The fact that Ferrari stepped on it's d&&k at every opportunity does not make it a "dominant" car/team, it makes it a disappointing, underachieving car/team. RESULTS determine that. You guys say "talk about the season", then do exact thing you accuse others of doing...namely cherrypicking snipets of the season where Ferrari was faster. "Faster" only matters at the END of the race. That's rather obvious to me, how do you guys not get that?
I guess this has become the Hamilton Hater mantra...by cherrypicking moments in time in 2022, you are trying to show that Red Bull was not dominant, and it was only Max's brilliance that won them the WDC, while Hamilton always had the "dominant" car and is not worthy.

PS. No need to "educate" me. I understand that no one EVER won the WDC in the first half of the season, it's why they call it a "season". So, Ferrari's fault, Red Bull's fault, nobody's fault, Red Bull easily won the WDC/constuctor's title in 2022. The midway point of the 2022 season was Austria, at that point Ferrari had 4 wins (including Austria), Red Bull had 7 wins. The second half of the season, it was all over for Ferrari. So, slow clap for Ferrari for making it a little competitve for the first 11 races.
Play with the "data" all you want...the RESULT is still the same.

 

Arguably Jenson Button did.

 

And as a Frenchman, I second him. The influence of athletes is indeed close to zero here, in most "layers" of the society. Except the suburbs.
I couldn't give you the name of one french athlete of these days. Not one. Couldn't care less.
Whereas, everytime I travelled to the United States, people were much, much more aware of the athletes from their country.

Rgds

 

any data at all or...

Because you have not educated me, or anyone for that matter. You just spout more nonsense and I'm supposed to believe a word of it because it comes from you, the guy that a few days ago claimed your data suggested that 273 was a bigger number than 364. So forgive me, that even if you did post data, I would have to assess it first before taking it as fact, since I can't trust the ramblings of someone that can't even do the most basic form of math (I would really struggle to call ''what the bigger number, a game played in first grade, math).

Anyways, here's some data:

Here’s how the DT39/22 changed the Ferrari F1-75 - Formu1a.uno

The Ferrari enjoyed on average a 0.05% advantage over the next nearest team (RB) until Hungary. After Spa TD39, RB enjoyed a 0.19% advantage over the Ferrari.

That, KTU, is a fact.

What you spewed, was an opinion.

See the difference?

 

WTH is he talking about? Drivers being champion-elect by mid season is common.

Senna 91, Mansell 92', Schumacher 94', Schumacher 02', Schumacher 04', Alonso 06', Button 09', Vettel 11', Vettel 13', Hamilton 15', Hamilton 19', and Hamilton 20'.

Just off the top of my head.

 

Please elaborate?

 

There were many people in the States that actually hated Ali.

He became activist, converted to Islam, and refused to fight for his country.

Do you think that made him universally popular in the US ?

 

Nothing in that article speaks about race pace, more so qualifying. If I overlooked it point it out. I'm talking about race pace which includes fuel burn, tire deg and such.
Also I never suggested 273 was bigger than 364. I stated that was a miss calculation. You see what I mean about you talking a lot and proving nothing? Stop focusing on insulting me when you are in a bind and stick with the facts.

 

What’s the point with France ?

 

RACE PACE

hotlapmode on X: "AVERAGE RACE PACE | 2022 SEASON Red Bull RB18: 0.00% Ferrari F1-75: +0.19% Mercedes W13: +0.59% Alpine A522: +1.46% McLaren MCL36: +1.56% Aston Martin AMR22: +1.84% Alpha Tauri AT03: +1.84% Alfa Romeo C42: +1.87% Haas VF22: +2.06% Williams FW44: +2.29% More info on every team⬇️" / X (twitter.com)

Feel free to analyze ALL the data he posts. That's factual data.

You'll get to the same conclusion. I'll save you some time, it's what I said above, Ferrari ahead 0.05% before hungary, RB ahead 0.19% after that.

Posting facts isn't an insult. You post feelings. You refuse to accept facts. You start whinging when people are short with you, the reason for that is because you are incapable of forming a reasoned argument, you are incapable of basic comprehensive reading, you are incapable of basic maths, you are incapable of being entertaining.

But you speak on every single subject with the utmost authority despite not understanding any of it.

It's not a one off that any of that has occurred, it's on practically every single thread you comment on. Therefore, you are either trolling or just aren't very bright.

 

Sorry, my post was in answer to @SimCity3 who wrote post #7953 "Everyone loved Ali"

In France you may ignore athletes up to a point, but in the US they were alreasy so in the media in the 50s, that nobody could ignore them. Most TV channels make it their job to give exposure to those who had an opinion.

I see on your media that alredy some had expressed their views about the recent interdiction of the abaya in French schools.
Is their influence close to zero ?

 

Your link speaks about race pace for the SEASON which we know RB was ahead .19%. You said Ferrari had better race pace at the beginning races or first half of the season. I have yet to see any evidence of this. I told you to point out race data in your first link. You failed. The evidence I have is seeing how RB was able to overtake the Ferraris easier during those races. Feel free to go back and look at those races. Actual video footage is the data I have.

 

They are just representative of a population that is not France.
Except on their ID.

 

Bas, may i make a suggestion? Please take it for what it's worth (not much, i assure you lol).

If you don't like the ignore option (which has become one of my favorite Fchat features, with very good reason) ... why not try responding to the trolls with a simple "there, there" every time they post? When it becomes obvious that they are immune to logic, reason, facts and data ... it might prove to be the only worthwhile response

HOWEVER ... i will also promise you this: If you DO decide to put the trolls on ignore, they for sure will NOT put you on ignore tells you everything you need to know ... tells you what feeds them

 

Don't try to rescue him now, wait until he finish taking this L.

 

The result is the same but how they got there can be completely different. Do you not seeing your glaring hypocrisy?

I suppose it makes you feel better to say Max had a dominant car in 2022 because he and Red Bull had a dominant season. You refuse to accept the facts how Ferrari was the better car most of the first 12 races, even though you admit it was faster. Yet you are determined to settle on Red Bull had the dominant car because Max won 7 of those 12 races. The why doesn't matter to you.

Oddly it bothers you when people say Hamilton drove dominant cars, even though the facts prove he did. Beyond the simplicity of just wins in a season. But you don't like that. Its okay for you to ignore facts and discredit Max, but it's not okay for someone else to prove facts and discredit Lewis.

By looking at only a very limited data point such as wins, and maybe poles (depending how it suits your feelings), you will draw your conclusion that Max Verstappen had a dominant car in 2022. But by those standards, you are proving to yourself that Hamilton had a dominant car most of his career too.

 

He's been in ignore for years. But his statements are so outrageous other people keep quoting them so you have to see them in the end.

Either way, I'm out. @nerofer was right with the pigeon analysis.

 

Well, that's what you say ... What are the "true representatives" of France ? A bit embarrassing to answer that one, no ?

 

FWIW, I have NEVER disputed that Hamilton had dominant cars so I don’t understand what point you’re (SS454) trying to make. As far as “wins” being a “very limited data point”…well, wins are the ONLY “data point” that matters. If a football team out gains the other team for the entire game but fails to score…they lose. “Data points” are what losers point to…so they feel better about…losing.

 

I don't know why you guys hate the word dominant all a sudden. Every time RB and dominant is in the same sentence you all get so defensive.