LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Sad reality. Everyone loves emissions regulation!

 

Why not? It certainly is much better in every objective metric.

 

You can't understand, because when people talk to you about emotions, you're talking about efficiency... A liquid crystal watch will never be part of the history of watchmaking... who prefers an Apple watch to a Daytona ???

 

Oh, really? Care to explain where the 296 lacks emotionally? Also, who defines what is emotional?

 

NA engine !

 

That is just dogmatic and not based on actual facts.

 

the 296 does lack emotion imo

if you watch all the reviews of it and see how they are reacting to it emotionally and then go back and watch the first reviews of the 458 you'll see a huge contrast

the 458 was a classic, though of course the 296 is much more capable

 

Indeed this is not about facts.
Numbers aren't everything.
At least for me..

 

This is a dumb argument. As time goes by and technology evolves, so do cars. That does not make them "better".
Better is not just about numbers, it's also about emotion, driving sensation. Also, even if we only look at numbers, we must put them into proper context, meaning we should analyze them based on what they meant when the car was made. And from this perspective, the 458 is way ahead of a 296.
Even now, I'd choose it over a 296. That sound more than makes up for the technology advancements.

 

You mean reviews like these? They seem pretty raving to me...

The 296 is quicker than it's competition, compared to the 458 and its competition back in the day. But that was not my argument. You people keep saying that the 458 was better, based on no other criterion than noise, which is dumb. The 296 is the better driving tool, no question about it.

 

As was the 488 GTB compared to the 458...but we all know which is going to go on to be the real classic in time!

 

It might just be, but it's not that desirable than its competitors compared to how the 458 was to its competitors.

It's not just the noise, it's the whole driving experience. The 458 even looks better.

 

if/when I get time I'll show a broader comparison, journalists were extremely excited about the 458 when they first got to drive it

 

458 was a masterpiece.
Both the way it looks and drives.
If not for the numbers produced, the price of used one could reach high 6 figures , and 7 if it was limited edition.

 

remember when my older son first saw it, he thought the daddy got LaFerrari( which i didn't

 

Either both or none (since they are not limited editions).

According to demand on new cars, the 296 is more desirable. But that doesn't say anything about the cars themselves.

As always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like the softer looks of the 296 either, but this is a discussion about cars as driving machines. As a driving machine, the 296 is just sharper (quicker steering-turn in, more grip, better brakes etc), as progress is inevitable.

 

Numbers aren't anything.

 

As Euro 7 comes in July 2025 This is one of only a few models left that can really go crazy with the ICE fingers crossed this V6 is on super steroids. maybe a 4 or 4.5L with TT. dreams I guess.....

 

More likely is larger turbos aided with the electric motor or perhaps even electric turbo chargers.

 

Disagree.

458 - last of the NA mid-engined V8s
488 - first model to be hit by the compromise of engine emissions regulations

Your metric for cars is clearly very empirical, which is totally fine! Numbers are clearly what drives you and there's nothing wrong with that

Others value the "je ne c'est quois" qualities that cars have that you almost can't vocalise
Both are valid, horses for courses as they say.

 

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That wing is definitely going to retract onto the body.

 

I hear this car will be the next "XX" Car with 39 units for "XX-Clients"

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxiCBT3MXrE/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Seems nonsense to me. Doesn't the F250XX fill the same role?

 

Well, if it is track only, it won't compete with the 250. But it sounds sketchy, indeed.