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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    An oil line ? Apparently a rod went through the block !

    It's going to be a very expensive repair, whatever solution they will chose.
    - The block could be patched up, to keep it original (matching numbers and so on for the purists).
    - Or, another matching block could be sourced (Ferrari or reproduction) to replace the holed one.
     
  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    The car is not an original GTO. The owner does own the original, but this is a copy (most notably by it being RHD).

    I assume it was made by GTO engineering who will also simply cast a new block again.
     
  3. 250boano

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    Karun can pedal! That recovery and immediate pulling to the side was spectacular car control.
     
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  4. kes7u

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    I'll start by saying I've always been a huge Charles fan.

    But given recent pace, is it possible that Carlos has finally been with the team long enough to have his car setup likes and dislikes fully understood enough that he now has a pace advantage over Charles?
     
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  5. NeuroBeaker

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    I've visited GTO Engineering. Really cool setup.

    I lived within 3 miles of them for years and never knew they were there until a kind fellow FChatter took me on a tour.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  6. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I found out about them several years ago and was utterly amazed. The lust I have for a 250 GT SWB copy with a 4 liter engine, disc brakes, 5 speed gearbox is very high indeed...the way GTO engineering do their work is just amazing. I'm very jealous you got a tour with them!
     
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  7. NeuroBeaker

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    Here are the pictures:


    Wow, I look young there. :oops:

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  8. Bas

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  9. furmano

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    Yeah but this is the F1 section. In that regard Ferrari is doing OK, not horrible but not where they need to be.
     
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  10. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I told you SF isn’t terrible. At least they’re better than McLaren and Mercedes. Lol.
     
  11. 635CSI

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    Certainly were last Sunday ;)
     
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  14. USMCS6

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    Should be telling this weekend, Knock some of the BS off, I'm thinking Ferrari shows up. I think
    RB has had a kick in the nutts.
     
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  15. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Hope it doesn't rain at Suzuka but it probably will.
     
  16. Top speed

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    He has no pace advantage, they were less than a tenth off each other in the last two Qualies.
    The SF-23 has turned into an understeery car (direction they took when Vasseur said they will make the car more predictable), which is what Sainz prefers. Leclerc likes oversteer (Red Bull is in that direction). Leclerc just recently told in Japan that he struggles with this car, can't get the oversteer to work properly. He also said he won't change his driving style regardless (most likely already thinking about next years car).
    If Ferrari produce a car more to Charles liking next year, then expect the gap go back to 2022 levels.

    This is all the more reason why I hate Binotto with passion. He supervised this túrd of a car called SF-23; it couldn't be made to work with oversteer, so after Sainz' pleading they went to the understeer direction.
    Oversteer will always be faster than understeer, that is a fact that even Newey has said. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 Ferrari turns out.

    One thing I have always disliked of Leclerc & Sainz as pairing is that they have completely different driving styles, kinda like Perez and Max. It really doesn't help the team to get maximum out of both drivers.
     
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  17. furoni

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    I agree, they ate not s good pair because they like opposite cars. I remember when Sainz joined Renault, Hulkenberg said he knew he would beat Carlos easily as soon as he saw his telemetry, because the way he drove wouldn't alow him to adapt to the Renault characteristics.
    The fastest drivers like Charles, Max, Shumacher, tend to prefer a very strong front end, cause they can handle a loose rear, Sainz is the opposite. He couldn't get near Charles last year, and this year, in a car that suits his style snd Charles hate, the are even. This tells you wich way you should follow. Charles in a car he likes will always be better than Sainz in a car he likes.
     
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  18. TonyL

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    This highlights perfectly the fact that the team need to develop the car around one driver, whoever that may be. Flip flopping from one preference to another just wastes time, effort and potential development, inc next years car. Be bold Fred and choose one No 1
     
  19. nerofer

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    You could also argue to the contrary...remember Prost and Keke Rosberg at McLaren in 1986? Everybody expected Keke to be faster than Prost, but the reverse happened; Prost was perfectly happy with a slightly understeering car, and much faster than Keke too...
    Besides, great drivers tend to adapt to the car's characteristics; I remember a quote by Colin Chapman about Ronnie Peterson: Chapman said that he could make the most fundamental changes to the settings of the car, with results that any driver would have felt; and when he asked Peterson what the difference was, Peterson always said "I don't know", because he instinctly adapated. Peterson hated understeer, but in 1973 they usually ended the day by putting Fittipaldi's settings (= understeer) on Peterson's car, and in the end, he drove around these, and he was faster.

    I'm quite upset by this whole thing "Leclerc is faster than Sainz, but the car doesn't suit him"; I have no dog in this race, but up to now, this year Sainz has simply been better, plain and simple: he got results and the win to prove it. Either Leclerc adapts, or has has to take the N°2 slot, end of game.

    (My point of view, already stated a few times, is that Leclerc is in a blind alley and needs to move out, and quickly, otherwise his career would be toasted; the guy is not a great driver: he is fast, but inconsistent and makes too many mistakes).

    Rgds
     
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  20. william

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    That is an exageration. In fact some top drivers prefered an understeering car; Prost to name one.
     
  21. william

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    The Leclerc bubble has burst it seems.
     
  22. DF1

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    Not sure there was a bubble. He is fast. No one can say he is not. But in the larger scheme and over a season, Carlos tends to be very close or better. They may have distinct preferences for an ideal car, but no team builds 1 ideal car do they lol. They build a car and improve based on the deficiencies noted by the drivers, the data, and the stopwatch. It will evolve and might have a touch more of under or oversteer as the engineers improve and or modify it.

    Its the drivers job to employ it. If he is focused on what the car is not delivering, then much like Kimi and others, a driver may show a smaller operating window as a driver. Carlos is smart, and had serious meetings over summer break with Ferrari engineers to improve himself. Thats called work. I applaud that. Charles has not said much about that type effort. He, Charles has been using Carlos set up lately from reports.
     
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  23. Bas

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    to me it simply looks like that Leclerc doesn't have the adaptability that Alonso, Schumacher or Max has.

    Leclerc is seriously quick, but seemingly only in a car he likes, much like Vettel, Kimi, Lewis and Ricciardo for example.

    What's bizarre to me is that he doesn't have the political power to make it go his way. Actually, bizarre is the wrong word. He still has that idiot Xavi as his engineer. Maybe he's too compassionate and leaves the driving up to him and the rest for everyone else to sort out? Who knows.
     
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  24. jpalmito

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    After some interesting and accurates technical observations from our friend Ingegnere on other Formula one forum about the same suspensions and aerodynamics concepts shared by Red Bull and Mclaren,
    Do you believe the next Ferrari car will adopt this global trend ?
     

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