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OFFICIAL WARNING: SCAMS!!!

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  1. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    please report it if you haven't.
     
  2. Eric C

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  4. ylshih

    ylshih Shogun Assassin
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    Reminder. Security isn't just for yourself. A weak password or continued use of an exposed password also affects users who trust your reputation. Several more users were scammed today due to an account of a 20+ year "trusted" user being taken over by a hijacker.
     
  5. Gh21631

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    What is an exposed password?
     
  6. ylshih

    ylshih Shogun Assassin
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    An account name-password combination that has been exposed in prior large scale data hacks of various online databases. E.g. Target, etc.

    https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches

    Since many users use the same account name-password combinations, hackers just try them out on the sites they're trying to exploit.

    https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/12/12/has-your-password-been-stolen-how-to-find-out-crime-hacking-tutorial-tech-help/?sh=4740ad87570f
     
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  7. swift53

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    Big time scammer on Alfa BB, and a few others : miguel13gill13 at hotmail dot com

    Regards, Alberto

     
  8. pampalini23

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    Another scammer: [email protected] - showing Jcoo m556 as the name for the e-mail.
    Provided cell: 920-474-6838 but wanted only to message, not to call.
    Provided paypal: [email protected]

    Got an e-mail from this person after I showed some interest in buying some CF parts for my car and commented on the post in the for sale section.
    I exchanged few e-mails with the person and gave them my name and my address.
    How can I send an e-mail to the admin? Maybe he can look up the usernames that looked at my profile and we can figure out the username of the scammer.
     
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  9. NeuroBeaker

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    One of the mods found him and banned him last week. He was @havis938.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  10. veilstylez

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  11. MinoclanF1

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    BrandonConway68 tried scamming me on an S-line exhaust. I reported him and it looks like he is gone.
     
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  12. ItalianOne

    ItalianOne Formula Junior
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    Warning there is a scammer trying to sell our Pista hoping that someone wires them the money without looking into the facts and or at the car first.

    We are only aware of this, since the potential buyer called Cauley Ferrari about the purchase of the car.

    Cauley knows the car and the true owners and contacted us regarding the situation. Thank You!

    The scammer is using a fake Michigan License with the name: Michael Kevin Lang

    They are also using a fake California license with the name: Spencer John Hunting
    email: [email protected] with Phone: 415 802 2171

    Will keep you updated if I get any further information.

    Car is still available.
     
  13. calder1

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    I just got scammed. Tried to by some pucks from @FerrfanFL and received and an email from someone one else with the exact same questions from the conversation I had about purchasing them . Here is the email I got and paid him through Venmo Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  14. ylshih

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    The user who emailed you from [email protected] went under anthony1121 and has just been banned based on your report.

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/members/anthony1121.281952/

    There are variety of scam attack vectors that are intended to fool any possible party to a transaction -

    1) Fraudulent sale ad - this is when a new user posts a for sale ad - less common on Fchat since we require a user pay a subscription fee to advertise. We had a flurry of these for a while, but I think they realized it was too expensive as we often ban an offending seller after the first report or sometimes even before the first report. The fake seller makes money here by asking for funds via non-refundable methods (such as Paypal Friends & Family, Zelle, Western Union, etc) and never delivers the item.

    2) Fraudulent want ad - this is when a new user posts a want ad - also less common on Fchat since want ads still require a subscription. How does a fake buyer make money on a fraudulent want ad? The scammer will do the fake money order/cashier check scam where they send more than the purchase price and ask for a refund of the overpayment plus the item. The seller loses both the item and pays for the "overage" and later learns that the money order/cashier check was no good.

    3) Fraudulent seller on good for sale ad - this is when there is a real for sale ad with a real seller - the fake user watches classified ads for a real buyer expressing interest. As soon as they see that, they research the responding user and try to find an email in the user's posting history or profile. They then use the email address to contact the buyer, posing as the good seller. Failing to find an email, they may private message (if they got past our initial posting requirement) the buyer, again posing as the good seller. Finally, I've also seen a new user posting directly on a good ad to contact them directly at a certain email, basically relying on the buyer to not notice that the good seller isn't the one responding, but rather the post was from a new, low post count user.

    4) Fraudulent seller on a good want ad - this is when there is a real want ad with a real buyer - the fake seller identifies a "want ad" opportunity, offers a fake item by email, private message, or posts on the thread to contact them, and then executes the same scam as #1 (requires non-refundable payment and never delivers the item).

    You were taken in by variant #3.

    #3 and #4 are a little more frequent right now because they try to keep their messaging to more restricted channels that the admins/mods don't see. Consequently, the first line of defense is the buyers/sellers healthy skepticism. In these cases, it's a good idea to be suspicious of emails arriving outside of Fchat when the ad is on Fchat. Double-check that the real user has a real email address that matches with the suspect offer (private message the user on Fchat as well as via email and check the validity of the email address through the second channel, essentially an ad-hoc two-factor authentication). However, also be aware that we've had real user accounts hijacked (as reported earlier on this thread) so perhaps get into some personal details with the suspect user during the discussion to try and scope out the possibility.

    Also recognize that the scam attack vectors I'm describing morph over time as the scammers adapt to our adaptation. So expect that these approaches will develop new wrinkles over time.
     
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  15. calder1

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    Thanks for addressing and explaining
     
  16. rob lay

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    JSinNOLA was hacked with an old password. He is back on with a strong password and think we deleted all the hacker threads, but hacker still sent out several PM's we can't remove.
     
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  17. FerrfanFL

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    Fellas,
    Scammers are watching our and other sites. I recently had TWO fellow f chatters get scammed on my items. They posed to be me, asked for payment. Payment sent. No item. I DM them to ask if they are still interested and their replies were identical - "I already paid you". Nope. Be careful guys. DM sellers, make sure you're dealing with whom you think you are. Careful out there.
     
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  18. 4respy

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    You DON'T want to send anyone payment where you don't have any recourse...No Venmo Zelle or PayPal Friends & Family...Anyone wanting payment in this form is a bad sign . I know some posts are legit that ask that way...That's one of the ways these scammers are getting away with it..
     
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  19. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    How did they pose as you and what system did they use? They had the buyers email and emailed them from their email? How did they get the buyers email?

    The hackers on FerrariChat either...

    1) Don't change accounts email and password, so are still posting and messaging scams while you use the account too.

    2) Change the email and password to theirs so just they have access.
     
  20. FerrfanFL

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    all i know is the buyer messaged me that they already paid me for an item, when they hadn't. I am assuming the scammer contacted them directly and posed as me and asked them to pay for the item.
     
  21. JSinNOLA

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    Can confirm that I wasn’t even online at all this past weekend and was out of town. Looks like someone contacted 4 fellow users, posing as me, trying to sell watches, cameras, and car parts.
     
  22. rob lay

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    still doesn't make sense and I don't think any of that was on FerrariChat, so I'm not going to worry.
     
  23. calder1

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    See post 88 . i was one of guys who was scammed
     
  24. rob lay

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  25. calder1

    calder1 F1 Rookie
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    I'm not insinuating it was an Fchat issue or problem more to make people aware of what had happened to me and to be careful.
     
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