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355 header question

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  1. u2fast

    u2fast Formula Junior

    Mar 22, 2009
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    i did a search on 355 headers and most were old post.

    i think my headers have cycled out and its time for a replacement. i have looked at the fabspeed headers. gorgeous looking. my concern is engine bay heat and alternator. i know the headers come with a small heat shield for the alternator. have others found this shield to be enough to spare the alternator from getting too hot? also, considering a full ceramic coating of the headers. has anyone ceramic coated the headers and what was your conclusion regarding engine bay heat?

    my question is: does anyone have experience with fabspeed headers and was it positive when it comes to heat in the engine bay etc?

    thx in advance

    PS: getting ready for another major. it sounds like that labor cost has gone way up. have other owners experienced this. i was told labor is around $225 per hour and up.
     
  2. lanab

    lanab Formula Junior

    Feb 21, 2016
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    The Fabspeed are 4-1 tubing so you will not get as nice sound pitch as the others like Nouvalari or Tubi, i'm running with Nouvalari and volcano wrap from DEI, it works great.
     
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  3. Targatime

    Targatime Formula 3

    Feb 22, 2014
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    I think running unshielded headers is crazy. Engine bay is hot enough as-is with the entire exhaust system, including cats, running through it. Ceramic coating is ineffective. You need heat blankets or header wrap on the exposed pipes.
     
  4. johnk...

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    Tubi.
     
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  5. Zamboniman308

    Zamboniman308 Formula Junior

    Feb 2, 2020
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    The factory shielded them for a reason. It's cookin hot around there. And a lot of things that don't like it hot or don't last long with it hot are in very close proximity.
     
  6. fboutlaw

    fboutlaw Formula Junior

    Dec 3, 2014
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    If doing fab speed, I'd add the optional header blankets. However, like a lot of others on the forums, I went with Tubi and they've been great.
     
  7. u2fast

    u2fast Formula Junior

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    How is the tubi insulated? I will go look at their website.
     
  8. u2fast

    u2fast Formula Junior

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  9. Zamboniman308

    Zamboniman308 Formula Junior

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    They are the closest thing to the originals but in a more robust execution. They are expensive for what they are but there aren't a lot of options. By the time you blanket up the others you may as well just roll over and get the Tubi.. at least that was the conclusion I came to.
     
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  10. johnk...

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    Talk to Vivid Racing for Tubi headers.
     
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  11. Johnnieblack115

    Johnnieblack115 Karting

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    Nouvalari is 4-2-1??


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  12. Jackie and bill

    Jackie and bill Formula Junior

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  13. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    What about ceramic-coated headers with wraps?
     
  14. Johnnieblack115

    Johnnieblack115 Karting

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  15. PaulK

    PaulK F1 Rookie
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    Just go with Tubi for headers. You can cook wiring and other items in the engine bay without the insulation.

    I would go to eurospares.co.uk for the best price on them. If there are any issues you have someone to contact with good customer support. Vivid Racing is where I bought mine and a few weeks after I got a bill from FedEx for customs fees it was a pain in the ass to get that sorted out.

    This is not a car you cheap out on.
     
  16. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Mild steel transmits 4 times as much heat as 304 stainless which transmits 30% more heat than 321:: so choice of steel changes how much heat is transmitted even before shielding/blankets.
     
  17. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    If coating, I would use the swain tech coating, it's much more effective at reducing heat than ceramic. They can coat internally to prevent the heat from getting into the header tube in the first place, provided you start with virgin headers.
     
  18. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    I wouldn't bother ceramic-coating stock headers but Tubi headers instead, taking off the wraps and put them back on after the treatment.

    Swain coating is better but a touch on the pricey side.
     
  19. lanab

    lanab Formula Junior

    Feb 21, 2016
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    I typed too fast but you are right of course...;)
     
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  20. huzilulu

    huzilulu Formula Junior

    Apr 20, 2011
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    Just FYI: I have a set of brand new fabspeed headers and heat shields (5.2) that I don't need anymore... If you are interested please drop me a message. Thanks!
     
  21. Johnnieblack115

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  22. Jackie and bill

    Jackie and bill Formula Junior

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    Not at all. No problems. No wrap. Yes straight pipes.
    As stated 4-5 years ago, any vulnerable areas have heat material in that area.
    Took the engine out for a belt change in January of this year. Absolutely no problems with any part of the engine bay including wiring.
     
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  23. Johnnieblack115

    Johnnieblack115 Karting

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    I’m guessing the cats have more to do with excess heat than the manifolds, including the manifolds cracking. capristo’s old race exhaust was designed to mitigate this phenomenon by removing the Y pipe and singular bypass. They attributed a lot of the excess heat to downstream exhaust design compromises that wound up creating a volatile environment by the manifolds


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  24. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Tubi..or sell the car and walk. It's honestly that simple. Sorry..
     
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  25. Johnnieblack115

    Johnnieblack115 Karting

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    Thank you for providing a binary solution to this thread. It was naive of me to think that maybe we didn’t all need to spend $9k on a bundle of pipes. I now realize I should get rid of my car and take my lashings, thank you for showing me the way


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