LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Fair point regarding the looks.
i guess you get the Enzo i get LaFerrari and everyone's a winner

 

We all know that, however high the price is, they will sold out before they present it. And it will only grow.
I was way down in the list for 1mil LaFerrari and now need triple the amount to get used one
It will easily be faster in any way that LaFerrari is, probably a better car , too.
But i highly doubt it will be more beautiful, and for sure it will not sound nowhere as good.
It will affect emotions, but on different way.
Me personally? I would keep LaFerrari if i had one.

 

Keep the LaF. You will need it for that allocation!


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As I replied one million times. the manufacturer agree to a certain reduction with the regulators; they don't set their own targets. That's why all supecar manufacturers are going hybrid, apart from the ones whose annual production is in the tens or hundreds, which get a free pass, for now.

There is no such thing as a purist. What impure is there about a 296? It is just different tastes. By the way, none of the major motorsport series (F1, WEC, Indycars etc) use 10 or 12 cylinder engines any more. So if you want an authentic racecar driving experience, you want a V6...

For the same engine size a V12 will rev higher and produce a more high pirches sound, compared to a V10.

Car makers have to sell and that's what most their clients want.

 

Funnily enough, I find the LaFerrari even more aggressive than the Enzo. It is just more "alien", if that makes sense.

 

it does, and it's true.
Just that Enzo is designed with straight and "sharp"lines and shapes and you used the word sharp to describe what you liked more.

 

And Ferrari manangement should not be idiots to agree to a very small number.

Ferrari's flagship is in the tens of hundreds, so they could use the exception for it.

Yes there is. It's desiring a car that looks good, it very light, has tons of power, sounds great, and you're in complete control of the driving, there's no stupid computer or electronics interfering.

It's ugly, heavy and sounds like crap compared to a NA car.

It doesn't matter if they don't have them anymore, they did in the past. And they only switched cause of this bogus climate change crap.

I still like the V10 more.

No they don't. Ferrari can still make enough money if they sell their "regular" supercars.

Most customers can't drive for ****. And Ferrari can sell these guys SF90 type cars and also produce a NA ultra light Halo car for the purists.

 

The regulators wouldn't agree to a very small reduction.

You really don't understand how this works. It is the fleet average that counts, not the emissions of each independent model.

There is no agreement that this is a purist. Many might say it is a relic of the past... Today's level pf performance is unmanageable without electronics. As Chris Harris sad when he tested the 296: "Don't turn them off. this is a silly argument now!"

No maker that wants to survive will sell any car for a loss.

The Halo car can't be slower, or less technologically advanced, just because a few Luddites who won't even buy it, fantasise so. Also, there are laws that mandate some safety control systems.

 

it'll be interesting to see who gets one, I know a couple of people who didn't get a La Ferrari but were expected to and have since spent a very substantial amount since

there aren't that many more car's that will trade significantly over list left from ferrari as that will die when it becomes electric only so I think many will be very much hoping to get this!

 

According to Ferrari, the ICE (either pure of hybrid) will live on for the foreseeable future.

 

lets hope so! I wouldn't be suprised if what ends up happening is basically a reverse Hybrid whereby the majority of the power is from electric and a smaller engine with not much power basically sits there just to create drama/noise

 

If past Ferrari practice is a reliable guide, I assume they will give priority to top clients who also own a LaF at present.


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No reason to believe it will be any different this time.
Who got LaF got aperta, and then sp3( in most cases)
Ferari want to reward the top clients.
I understand logic, to the extent.
But this also means that most will be driven few thousand milles , some even less than a 100.
Why then all the innovation and testing ... so that they can go to "museum "
It's a shame, really.
I wish they make a few thousand of them.
1. The price would be "more normal"
2. More people would get one,
3 And more people would actually drive it like it is ment to be.
In short, like F40 was.
I did fell in love when i first saw it, but then that love grow much more when you see it racing and being faster than any other car in that time.
I wish they do that again, even if i know it will not happen
Of course, the one that's buying it as a collector, or as an investment , will not agree with what i said.

 

Cars are not investments. One can do much better investing elsewhere
These cars are meant to be driven. I drive my LaF almost every weekend…


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Some paid a million got tempted when the price tripled.
Hats of to you my friend, enjoy.
But people like you , who used them, are minority.
Dont want to count posers.

 

no doubt but the people who I know weren’t invited for a LaF despite buying so many cars and imo being ambassadors for the brand for over a decade, I suppose it’s about making that transition into that level which is difficult!

either way those who I’m referring to are on here and I’m sure they’ll showing their cars if they get one

 

Fairly certain those two articles are discussing a hypothetical EV separate from the P1 successor which is due around 2026 I believe.

From the Autocar article above “When asked if a model at the very top of the McLaren range was in the works to rival the likes of the all-electric Porsche Mission X, Porsche’s own successor to the P1-rivalling 918 Spyder, company boss Michael Leiters said: ‘We’re quite busy, yes.’”

Note that the interviewer never about a P1 successor, only a Mission X (electric hypercar) competitor.

This exchange is the basis for the Motor1 article claiming “The peeps from Woking are taking their sweet time as another flagship model is not due until closer to 2030. When it eventually arrives, the crown jewel of the lineup won't have a combustion engine since it'll take the shape of a pure EV, much like the Porsche 918 Spyder's replacement will do away with the ICE.”
Given that the primary source of the Motor1 article is actually the Autocar article…..

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43729417/mclaren-hybrid-flagship-2026-four-seater-2028/
Pretty sure this article is a little more viable. Interesting how they are going for the Laferrari style seats

 

Ferrari has to balance the demands of the market with the regulatory environment, while building their legacy into the future. Given their performance for the past few years I would say they are doing a pretty decent job. Sure they could do better to put back some of that money into their engines and remove the touchpads but I don’t think you whining about “why can’t they put a V12 etc” will make a difference, or is productive.

Also with forced induction, V6 is probably the ideal engine layout. The main reason F1 gravitated towards V12 V10 was because they were NA do the main way to increase engine power was to increase revs which necessitates smaller rotating masses aka smaller cylinders. At the expense of long crankshaft, stiffness, high CoG, complexity, fuel consumption, etc.

I recall Adrian Newey was deciding between a turboed V6 and a V12 for the Valkyrie. Pretty sure he went with the V12 because of the packaging mainly. And he thtought he could get away with the NVH of solid mounting it. Other than that 120 degree V6s are much better especially if you don't need crazy diffuser tunnels like the Valkyrie.

 

Pretty sure the laws of reality prevent them from them accomplishing what you describe. The GMA T50 was barely under 1000kg initially and since then its gained more cooling components. And thats with a small displacement V12 and bespoke almost everything. And no airbags for passengers

 

They were very specific when describing the powertrain of the Gran Turismo concept.
https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/ferrari-vision-gran-turismo?amp=true
Also when have any of the 1500hp+ hypercars actually demonstrated any type of pace? Tuatara-scam. Hennessy-can’t break 300. Chiron-had to lose 400kg. And this is all in a straight line. The 2000hp Rimac cant even go faster around the Nurburgring than a 911 GT3

 

only 1000hp but the mcmurtry speirling has showed it's possible, both it's goodwood times and silverstone times are insane

the rimac and chiron are mainly gt cars to be fair too

 

Ferrari actually has the largest R&D budget in the whole industry, in terms of percentage of their revenues.

Actually he said the following:
"I did some homework and came to the conclusion that weight wise there wasn’t much between them," Newey told Top Gear. "In terms of cooling requirements the V6 was worse, in terms of sound the V6 was worse and it would vibrate too much if you solid-mounted it to the chassis. Technically and emotionally the V12 was the better solution."
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a10295428/aston-martin-valkyrie-v12-williams-f1/

 

The Speirling is just a single-seater for the track. That's like bringing a Formula 1 car into the discussion.

 

I really like your vision !!!

 

Larry Caplin has taken the SSC Tuatara to 295MPH in 45.6 seconds in 2.3 miles. He's on these boards ask him about "pace".

John Hennessey's organisation hasn't even made an official attempt at top speed anywhere yet? So I don't know what your talking about?

You think the Bugatti Chiron Super Sport lost "400KG" disinformation completely. Prove it provide Sources not your opinions on a missing seat.

Porsche has been refining the 911 since 1963. In Motorsports their reputation precedes them over spans of entire decades.

Rimac are a child compared to them and it was their first attempt and those that drive they're regularly say the Nevera can go quicker.