Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

Lance is better than 1 driver on the grid. - Sargeant. No one else. His podiums have been gifted to due to others leaving the race. On merit he drivers and tours more than races. In the real world of not having any money he never see's the grid. Period.

Again I ask all the 'defenders'- Without money would you hire him? No and absolutely not. He should have been out of the sport after year 2, as most of his calibre are. He can drive the car. Racing is a much more involved matter where he lacks skills others have.

 

I didn't say Stroll was better than Albon or Ocon. You wrongly attribute those words to me.
You may as well give up your condescending attitude towards participants you don't agree with. The forum would be better for it.
I simply said that Stroll's results put him in the middle of the pack, which is mid field to me.
Best is a subjective notion; the stats are objective.
As for the rest of your demonstration, I simply ignored it.

 

Because you want Stroll out, you keep asking the wrong question.
Lance's place in F1 is totally legitimate, and there is no rule to exclude him.
So, he has the right to stay. Period.

 

We also saw over the years the sons of famous F1 drivers trying to get into the sport but couldn't hack it. Schumacher (not Mick, the son of Ralf), Lauda, Prost, the Andrettis to name just a few. There were many more.

 

To each his own but I love watching Stroll and to me it is exciting to see how and what he does. Whenever he'll quit, I will definitely miss him, no doubt.

When I watch a race I have a few guys I follow. Normally it is Max, Lewis, the Ferrari boys and Stroll. I don't really care much for any of the other drivers.

 

Usually I follow the progressions of the Haas boys and Stroll on TV. What does that tell you ?

 

I said none of what you posted. Clean your lenses. Would you hire him?

 

You keep asking the same hypothetical question.

If I was a team owner short of catch looking for a pay driver, like Williams was, yes, I would consider him.

Now, if I was his father owning a team, I would certainly give him a drive, like Laurence Stroll did.

 

Based on the statement that Stroll was a midfield driver, I asked the question which 6-10 drivers was Stroll BETTER than. You decided to jump in and throw out that Lance was "10th or 11th in WDC ranking" ahead of Albon and Ocon. Given I very clearly asked about what drivers are worse than Stroll, I obviously would take your reply as your answer to that question. After all, you did quote me in the process.

So maybe realize what you write and have some accountability to it before writing a condescending reply against a forum member. This certainly certainly isn't the first time you've done this.

 

Genuine question. What is it about Stroll that you love to watch? Is it for the entertainment of failure? Is it for his bland and arrogant interview skills? Is it because you cheer for the underdog? If so, does that mean you love watching Sargeant even more? Is it simply because of where he was born?

I know that sounds almost sarcastic, but he doesn't exactly set the world on fire in speed. He isn't known for tremendous passing abilities. So what he is capable of in a race car is far from spectacular. He doesn't have the most exciting personality in front of the camera. So I am being 100% genuine with my question. What about Lance Stroll makes you love to watch him during the race weekends?

 

+1 another response from the F1 Sections pedantic contrarian. In psychology it's called "projection".

 

Fully agree, Sargeant is the only driver Lancelot would beat on equal machinery. but, the diference between sargeant and Albon is samaller than the one between Massa and Stroll, when he was also a rookie, so i would expect that with a couple more years of experience, Logan would be able to equal or best lancelot. Again, Stroll did what was requested of him to earn the superlicence, so he has every right to be in F.1, no discussion there, but to claim he's a midfield driver is just wishfull thinking!
So, he has earned the right to be there, but he clearly sucks at it!

 

I love to watch him play pinball against the walls at Monaco! that's fun! ...Making Alonso airborn was also funny.....just keep him away from Charles and i'm good with him....

 

Several reasons:
- I love watching an underdog whom almost everybody on here has written off as a complete failure and prove those wrong. Sargeant is indeed useless, no point in watching him.
- He is Canadian and I like Canadians. They don't have much of a F1 history and so it's fun to watch the 3rd successful F1 driver from that country.
- I love the idea that with enough $ and some talent you can drive in F1. It's still a bit of a phantasy since you need enough talent to make it to the super license, but it's not like totally out of reach. Lance is the Andrea de Cesaris of our time.
- He actually has insane passing capabilities at the start. He passes regularly a couple of cars at the start. That's pretty much how I race with the Playstation too. During the races his passing has got a lot better. He used to just drive along but that's no longer the case, just watch the Brazilian GP again.
- I like the whole underdog approach for the AM team. It's nice to see that Stroll Sr. picked up the useless Farce India and is slowly turning it into a worthy adversary to the established teams. As the car gets better (fingers crossed), Lance's results will improve alongside.

 

I'm not a fan of Lance but agree with the above. de Cesaris probably had more pure speed but he crashed a lot more than Lance.

 

Funny to see how quick you jump on a bandwagon !!!

 

Hasn't Lance proved this already in the 1st half of the 2023 season? The AMR23 was definitely a 2nd place car but Lance hardly even progressed with it unlike his team-mate whom scored ALOT of points and CONSISTENTLY podiumed.

I mean 7 years in F1 and I haven't seen ANY progression(does that word even exist for Stroll) from Lance Stroll.

 

Very good comparison !! Andrea de Cesaris was like Lance Stroll another rich kid and the son of an ambitious father.
As to the question "would any team recruit him" ? Well, very possibly, regardless ...
De Cesaris drove for no less than 10 different teams, and not bad ones either (McLaren, Brabham, Ligier, Tyrrell, Jordan, etc ...).
Even when he decided to stop after 15 years of F1, Peter Sauber was still wanting to sign him.
Why ? Well, in spite of his poor results and 70%+ DNF percentage, teams were chasing him for his money.
Andrea's father was a big wheel in the tobacco industry and the boss of Philip Morris Italia;he bankrolled his career from start to finish.
Even Ron Dennis, Bernie Ecclestone, Guy Ligier, Ken Tyrrell, and Eddie Jordan did put aside their misgivings, lured but the prospect that De Cesaris would take away their budget worries for one season !!!
Had the internet existed then, there would have been a thread on FChat to slag him off, like there are for Hamilton and Stroll now.

 

Yeah, but the conundrum with Lance Stroll is that his father will sign a top driver to race for AMRF1 and no matter what, that top driver will achieve way more points than Lance Stroll hence the team falling behind once again because Lance will give you mid-field performance. I guess that's okay for some people here on FChat.

 

I don't see a problem there. Vettel and Alonso knew the situation.
Stroll Sr doesn't seem worried that his son scores less than his team mate.
It's funny that outsiders like you are all in arms about it .
That, I cannot understand !!!

 

Would you call the investors or top management of Aston Martin outsiders? They directly suffer if the team does poorly.

 

Interesting take. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

Are you one of those investors ? I guess not. Why are you worried then ?

Relax and smell the coffee ...

 

Thanks for being honest on both points. Yup, Andrea de Crasheris. Allegedly his eyes used to roll away from him, maybe temporary blindness caused the many crashes?