Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

Your hatred is blinding your judgement: De Cesaris was also using "a good seat" and not accomplishing as much as his #1 driver. It is the same situation.

Again, I don't buy that the AM was 2nd best car on the grid for the first half of the season. No way.

Secondly Lance has improved big time since the beginning of his F1 career. Even people like Bas who don't root for him have said as much.

 

No, Lawrence Stroll wants to take AMRF1 to the top tier as an F1 team.

 

The team has Alonso for the glory moments of marketing. As well as the official safety car. That's all the AM publicity they need for now.

More WDC points would be nice, but are really not that important: AM would not win the WDC even with Max in the second AM. So the difference between 3rd or 4th or 5th in the WDC is "just" F1 price money that Stroll Sr. won't get, so he has to make up for it. Not really hurting the investors. The lack of points coming from Lance hardly tarnishes the image of AM. C'mon, be realistic here. That brand is so much bigger than this.

To put it differently: Do you think less Ferraris were sold because of the team's questionable strategy decisions in recent years? Hard to say, probably had no impact.

 

Ok, then build a top tier car first. They have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go on that one. Lance's points or lack thereof is their smallest problem.

 

Good post and very true. As you and others have said before: The ability of a driver to produce $ (whether sponsors or a rich father is irrelevant) is one key aspect for a F1 driver to get a seat. It sounds like sarcasm, but it is not, just a reality check.

 

Apparently Ferrari sold more than 13 000 cars in 2022. Only a few years ago, their yearly sales were below 10 000.

Their relative lack of success on the track this last decade has absolutely no effect on their sales.

 

I would think that more success on the track helps with sales but just getting the publicity of being a big honcho in F1 creates enough panache to sell cars.

I do believe Ferrari would lose sales if they pulled out of F1 as it is such a global platform for brand awareness and pure advertisement. But you don't have to win all the time to get that publicity. In that sense AM is doing a good job so far with their F1 team, but they could do better if they built a car that would end up more on the podium.

 

Results matter. Sponsors do not put big bucks into losers. Look at Williams, a huge name, former dominant team. They can barely attract sponsors even with overhyped drivers like George Russell. They still heavily rely on paid drivers. So if Aston Martin continue to be a loser, they won't be able to keep sponsors or attract new ones.

Popularity matters. This also has a major impact on sponsorship deals. If you haven't noticed, very few actually like Lance Stroll. Since Daddy Stroll has shown he will always choose his unlikeable, poor performing son over any driver, regardless of how good or popular they are, this can very easy keep high paying sponsors away.

Back to results matter. The payouts teams gets for their WCC position are huge. 10 teams share a prize pool of around $1 billion! The difference between 2nd and 5th is tens of million dollars. That doesn't matter to a business and it's investors?

I'm not sure how much the Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday motto really applies anymore. It shouldn't, but I suspect it could. If Aston Martin prove to develop a loser year after year, it can give the perception their automobiles are not good either. Thus their sales will go down. Obviously I don't know the companies financials, but the reports are they are taking significant losses right now.

 

So you don't think Lance contributed to AMRF1's lost in the WCC rankings for 2023 to 5th place.

I'll agree that the progression or regression of the upgrades was also a contributing factor but it wasn't the WHOLE contributing factor for their 5th WCC placement.

 

Pedantic Contrarian:
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I love you too !!

 

Instead of that rethoric trying to prove your point, it would be so easy for you to say that you don't like Lance Stroll, and admit that some people do.
You spend too much time trying to influence people to your opinion, and it's not going to work.

Also, Aston Martin isn't going under because of Lance Stroll. Aston Martin went through several bankruptcies and 9 different owners over the years. It always bounced back because it's a British institution and always find investors.

 

I don’t think there is much correlation between success in F1 and car sales. Ferrari, Mercedes, AM, Alfa Romeo and McLaren sell based on the quality and desirability of their road cars. There is probably a bit of a halo effect from participating in F1 but not enough to drive sales. Ferrari sells every car they make and has waiting lists for some models.

 

The AM was absolutely the second best car on the grid until Barcelona.
On race pace specifically.
Indeed Stroll improved since his beginning in F1.
His second half of season is just worrying to say the least ( bar Brazil of course).

 

Ferrari do not need F1 lol -At all. Stroll Sr thinks he does to sell cars. He's losing in F1 and in business of selling cars. Aston x2 losing money!

 

I was thinking the same before but I am not so sure anymore.
Just my two cents..

 

Great some people like Stroll. Doesnt matter given that they wont answer my question on hiring him without wealth lol..................that silence!!!

 

Because it’s now considered as a pure luxury brand comparable with Hermès or Louis Vuitton.
Nevertheless the combination of a hypothetical economic crisis and electrification of their range could be devastating for them.
This is why I believe they absolutely need to win in sport (F1 and WEC ) shortly to sell garbage EV Ferraris..

 

Logical questions will be ignored.

 

And no, Andrea was a far better driver than the Stroller, prone to crash, but he was fast, he was good in that lovely Jordan

 

I am not certain Ferrari attracts buyers by its participation in F1.
A few years ago, on this forum a Ferrari owner was quoting a survey saying that most Ferrari buyers are not really interested in motor racing and don't follow the Scuderia. That wouldn't surprise me. A Ferrari, like a Lamborghini, an Aston Martin or any luxury car is a sign of wealth, a status symbol for successful individuals. They are not all interested in motor racing, and some may even not be car guys at all. A luxury car is like a Rolex or a Louis Vuitton bag, something to display in special circumstances, to keep and often store without using it much. Very few luxury cars are daily drivers, and when they are they are captive in Monaco, or Dubai in a safe environment.

I also don't believe that electrification will affect Ferrari much; a luxury car will still be desirable by the image it projects, regardless of the motor that powers it.

 

Would most pay drivers be hired without the money they bring ? That's my answer.

 

A battery ten years ago in a P1 that powered the hybrid system is already obsolescence. I'm sure that's the case with the Laferrari and Porsche918.

P1 owners are looking to refurbish their current hybrid battery system from a very few that work on these hybrid systems....as I am sure they will be dated in another ten years.

 

Until Michael's debut in Spa 1991 !

 

That's a silly question. That's like asking would you hire the juggler who has one arm?