250 PF Coupe ...

Oh yes.............the Prince Bertil car that the infamous "Matteo" claimed to have in his possession
shortly before he was excused from Ferrari Chat.

 

Celeste Italver 6850 is the original exterior color.
0853 GT was sold new on the 31st March 1958 to first owner HRH Prince Bertil of Sweden (Bertil Gustaf Oscar Carl Eugen Bernadotte).

Marcel Massini

 

Great write up in #183


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You mean the magazine "Cavallino", issue June/July 2011.

Marcel Massini

 

Correct, my apologies.. assumed obvious.. , many don’t subscribe


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I’m having two radiators restored by a master craftsman in the Modena area. I hope that Ferraristi enjoy some of the photos of the process
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nice work

 

what about the black color? for this it needs special paint what will be safe when getting warm

 

Dave, nice work and I hope I am wrong in saying this, but I think that petcock is going to interfere with the sway bar. The petcock was originally placed separately in the curved pipe aft of the radiator, probably for clearance reasons.

john

 

As John described
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David ,
I think you're radiator is correct for a PF S2 coupe
John and Lancia both own a S1 PF ,I also work on an S1PF in the moment.
I did own #1889 and #1913 both had the radiator show. as in you're pics.
Both numbers are close to you're rest .object
the series 1 radiators is much smaller and the bracket are on the lower tank, the S2 rad. has them on the left and right side
my foto alotment is full .other wise I could send pics of the differences here, I do have both radiators.
hope this helps
best
C.

 

Thanks Cornelis. This is one instance when I am glad to be wrong.

john

 

Very interesting to hear about the S1 and S2 radiator distinction. Was this driven by Ferrari becoming aware of overheating issues with the S1 cars?

I recall hearing conversations in the 60's where the 250pf was discussed as running hot. This was in comparison to the SWB comp we had around the same time, which apparently was the sweetest car ever. I can't say, I never drove that one.

In the time since I've had 1493 back on the road, I've never had issues with heat, on the contrary the car takes a long time for the oil to reach 190f on the gauge. It looks like the radiator blind is intact and retracted into it's housing, but I've never installed a cable to operate it due to concerns about its functionality and a desire to not damage an original bit.

Does anyone familiar with this era Ferrari have any thoughts on the use of the radiator blind? Seems like a neat idea that could help with getting heat into the engine more quickly, but I never hear them (the blinds) mentioned. With a little more activity on the thread I thought it might be a good time to ask.

 

My SWB never ran hot either on the track or on rallies. Ditto for my Lusso. Both seem to have rather large radiators.

 

You might say that the bigger radiator provides ample cooling, while the smaller radiator not so much. My Series I car has a new radiator core, as well as a hefty electric pusher fan, but it is still not worry-free; have to plan in advance for the weather, traffic congestion, etc. The smaller displacement motor, the 212, had an oil cooler adjacent to the smaller radiator. I wonder how much help that was to the overall cooling of the motor.

john

 

It has been my experience that ignition timing plays a key role in overheating in Italian V12s.
We all know that there are four sets of points and two distributors that must be timed perfectly and synchronized.
Critical maintenance item.

 

As mentioned in an earlier post I was concerned about the upper tank and side mounts on the radiator because the hood frame had beef cut to allow clearance for the radiator cap.
Through one of my contacts we got it to “the” guy in Modena and he verified that it was dimensionally correct.
Further investigation determined that the car was damaged up front at some point and poorly repaired. A critical eye can see that the frame section forward of the “K” section is not square. Furthermore the radiator mounting brackets are incorrect and much too tall forcing the cap into the hood frame.
In my forty plus years of doing this I have learned to take nothing for granted.
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I found this photo on Instagram this morning, the page for Bacchelli and Villa, and found it interesting.
Great idea to fixture the headlight openings but can’t imagine the amount of work needed to correct them if they are off. It is a hand built car.
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Although the Pf Coupes are essentially hand-built, Pininfarina did use an overall master jig and templates for the body, to locate the main elements. There is a Pininfarina photo of a coupe being built with the templates in one of the books, don't recall which.

 

Perfect breaks.. Note proper brake line , bulb end & bolt vs. existing "don't know what it was" attempt.
No more leaks.
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Progress photos for #1871. Much like every other major restoration the scope of work required continues to grow. It’s a group effort.
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Evening All

Long time F-chatters may remember that many years ago I created the original 250 PF Coupe Registry supported by John Vardanian with base data very kindly provided by Marcel Massini (and hello to both). I still get the odd email requesting a link to the site, which in its previous incarnation became almost impossible to maintain and keep up to date, and so over time it withered on a well intended vine.

Web publishing software has come a long way since 2005 and so I’m pleased to say I have updated the site using Wix. Took a couple of weekends and a few late nights but compared to the time invested back in 2005 it was a smidgeon.

Consider it “The 250 PF Coupe Registry 2.0”

In the new incarnation it is not meant to replicate sites like Barchetta and as such does not detail current ownership, show appearances or sale prices. Consider it more of a digital PF Coupe picture book for viewers to research or just admire the various colours and configurations of these cars.

I have used images as found on the Internet and wherever possible have tried to associate copyright (if I could find it). If anyone sees their images displayed and does not want them used please let me know and I will happily take them down. Alternatively if I have not credited your copyright but you are happy for an image to be used LMK and I will associate copyright. I certainly don’t want to step on anyone’s copyright toes.

The purpose of the Registry is, and always was, to be an attempt to locate and document as many of the 353 cars manufactured primarily as a means to understand how many remain existent (as PF Coupes or Recreations/Replicas).

As its stands right now there are 151 cars unaccounted for or “missing”. Some stats below.

Please do feel free to propose any corrections (there will be plenty of errors) or if you have data and images of missing cars that you are happy for me to use I would be delighted to receive them, via this thread or direct to my email ([email protected]), for inclusion on the site.

I hope you enjoy the site. I’m not a professional web designer so consider this as an amateur labour of love from a former owner (1899/GT). The best place to look and help is in the S1 and S2 MISSING portfolios to see if you can bring one or more of the unaccounted for VIN back to life. Requires photographic proof !

And crucially here is the link :

www.ferrari250registry.com

Feedback is welcomed (note the site is not yet optimised for Mobiles but I will get to that). It remains a work in progress....

Regards to everyone and I hope you enjoy....

Best

Darren

PS : John V …. it felt only right that 1381/GT should lead off the “Hall of Fame”. Could you send me a higher res “Side Profile” photo if you have one to match the other images on the site.



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Thank you Darren, for reinstating the 250 PF Coupe registry. Please update the record for 1733GT which is currently under restoration by Andrew Cunningham located in New Zealand, who reunited 1733GT with it's orginal engine in Jun-07.

I will shortly further forward a more recent photo than those linked as follows.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/250-gt-coupe-pininfarina-sn1733gt-1960-information-wanted.614670/#post-147130304

 

I have been a Ferrari Mechanic, restorer, and enthusiast for nearly fifty years and had my hands on almost any vintage Ferrari you can mention, the 250 Coupe is my favorite, what I call a real classic Ferrari. Personally I prefer drum brake cars only because of Ferraris reluctance to convert and the beautiful castings created to make them work.
I have a photo archive of some note and am happy to contribute to the register in any way I can, just ask.