I wonder whose 296 this is. Anyone here? The condition of this car from the factory really makes you raise an eyebrow. Ray
Discussed here and here. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/296-deliveries.664592/page-4 https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/new-ferrari-paint-quality-from-factory.685857/
What is the point of spending the 30k plus on 3/4 layer if you risk getting this? It makes me re think my Rosso Fuoco on my current build !
Yeah... I can't see spending that kind of money on a paint job from Ferrari, especially not on a 296. You need to save that money for when the battery pack fails and needs replacing My next Ferrari is gonna be a used 360 Modena and I'm gonna sand it down w/ #600 grit and spray can it flat black using BBQ paint. My days of worrying over where I park my sports car are behind me. Ray
I watched the whole video it was therapeutic to see that dude work on the car and yes this is shocking paint quality from Ferrari
I will never understand why it costs that much. Even the Artura is only going to be $6k-$7k to replace. Well, if it's explained to me, I'm sure I'll understand. But I probably won't agree. There's a lot that I get that you pay the exclusivity tax for, but for the hybrid battery?
Ah , a hybrid sceptic. Ray , it is the way of the future and with more than enough warranty to cover my ownership horizon I feel comfortable with the mechanical and electrical aspects of the car. And having tested it I cannot wait to track my own car, maybe with different paint ! I will still wrap it and then not worry where I park it .
I like hybrids as much as the next guy; but let's be realistic, lithium batteries don't last forever. Sure, the warranty might cover you, but it won't cover the next guy, or the next guy, or someone down the road. Eventually the looming replacement cost of the battery pack gets factored into the resale value, whether you're dealing with a Toyota Rav4 or a Ferrari, etc. I can only imagine the bill your local Ferrari dealer would present for a full battery back replacement on something like the 296, if they even have anyone who can accomplish it. Ray
Ray , I get what you say, in my case with the addition of the extended warranty it will cover the next guy , that is all that bothers me. It is not just the battery , all the electronics in any vehicle can be painful at the plus five year time frame. The days of popping the hood and tinkering are well and truly gone .
This guy thinks he drives a Honda. Go and extend the warranty. It has nothing to do with hybrid. Do you know how much an 812 manifold replacement costs? If you don't extend your warranty Ferrari will want your mother's pension.
When everything is new and functioning properly, I'm sure it's all good. I did most all the service on my 355, 360 and 458. Sold my 488 before it needed anything (wasn't feeling the car). Like you say, the more complex vehicles get, the less ability you generally have to work on stuff yourself. That's kinda where I draw the line (unless it's brand spanking new and most likely won't require any service). My neighbor has a 360 with something like 60K miles on it; occasionally I help him do service on the car and whatnot. Still though, any big jobs on a car like that require a lot of experience. I'd love to pull the motor on a 360 down the road and go completely through it, but obviously most people have little to no interest in doing that sort of work on their own cars. I get it. Anyway, so was that green car yours in the video? Or you have a different 296? Ray
We've had two Tailor Made cars delivered this year, each with 3/4 layer paints. The Rosso Magma paint job on the 812GTS was incredibly suspect. Missing spray in multiple places, etc. On the Sf90 Spider, there was body color overspray on the livery. We're talking $150k in paint minimum between the two cars. unreal
Oh that's the rub: you spend $34k on fuoco, then $2,500 on a three-day detail and finally $8,000 on PPF.
Took almost a day to correct the paint on my 812 GTS. Swirl marks everywhere, compound left on paint and in grilles, and a bunch of other stuff. Found out recently that sometimes the paint is so bad that they repaint panels during the PDI process at the port. Yup they have a body shop there for that and other issues that might arise, and the customer would never know. The more layered the paint the more difficult it is to match so a keen eye can see if the car has had panels repainted before delivery, but most customers wouldn't even conceive of such a thing happening so they don't look out for it. When it's really bad many dealers don't want to upset their customers so they'll actually send the car (and pay) for paint correction before they call the customer that their car has been delivered. It's crazy that so many of these crazy expensive cars have such terrible paint issues. You'd think with modern automation and robotics there'd be no reason for quality this poor, especially if you're going to have the audacity to charge $35k for Mazda red.
I actually think it comes from a legitimate story where there was paint damage in a Ferrari painted a 3/4 layer and the paint shop scanned the paint and the perfect match was “Mazda red”
AFAIK the 3 and 4 layer paints are all hand painted whilst the 2 layer colours non standard range colours can be painted in the mostly automated paintshop line which is set to handle this type of work. The 3 and 4 layer colours are much more complex to paint and require additional tinter coats etc. The human involvement means there is never going to be the same 100% consistency of application so they require more "finishing" in terms of wet sanding/compounding/polishing etc. The issue appears to be the length of time allocated to this process. In a 3rd party paint shop or detailers studio they have unlimited chargeable time to correct every flaw - paint nibs, fish eyes, orange peel on the laquer coat etc. Anyone who has ever had a car restored/fully repainted will know the length of time involved in even the very best bodyshops in this process. In a production line environment that luxury of time is much more constrained so it would appear that the bodies are put through assembly with a view that any outstanding paint issues can be rectified either at the end of the line or by the supplying dealership. A one stage machining process is usually all that is required to remove the swirls left by the factory paint team who have rectified highlighted flaws highlighted in their QA end of line checks. Areas left unpainted are a whole different ballgame though and down to human error that should be picked up during the paint stage in the booth. Body coloured overspray on a livery sounds like the result of a later localised repair somewhere on the car as the livery is added after the main base colour coat. Detailers might like to moan about the finish but the reality is that it is providing a great income stream for them if the owner of the car wants a flawless finish. There will also be an element here of highlighting every minor imperfection to make the video more impactful and gain more views and that has paid off in this instance. I doubt most people would notice 80% plus of the flaws being picked up on this car.
I mean ok, we can explain it away all we want but it doesn’t excuse the fact that people who are paying $35k for paint are getting terrible and unacceptable results. Here’s one of several videos from a recent delivery of a friend’s triple layer green. I have more that show parts of the car that are even worse, but this one captions the salesperson’s comment which tells you everything. https://youtube.com/shorts/rHDNfH2FcKs?feature=shared Also my car is Grigio Scuro which according to what you guys are saying isn’t hand painted, and it was still completely unacceptable for a half mil car, hell it is unacceptable for a $50k car. Every time I order one of these I cross my fingers that whatever comes my way is fixable without repaint. This is obviously a systematic issue that Ferrari either is unwilling or unable to address.
... and hence why I look longing at 3 / 4 layer paints and normally order one of the launch colours, typically that with the least amounts of layers.
