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  1. ERault

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    The piazza photo is wonderful, thank you ! I can add two cars :

    Placido, most probably with 0044 M, DNF in heat 1

    Siracusa, with an unknown 166, same fate. That could be another candidate for the number 20 pictured car, perhaps.
     
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    Why not ? Thanks for your help !
     
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    An update of this great thread seems overdue by now !

    How about a tough one : on october 26th on the hills above Turin was run the Sassi-Superga hillclimb (also named Colli Torinesi).

    I have a report crediting Salvatore Ammendola with a Ferrari 2700cc, but I suspect this might be a mistake for his usual Lancia B20 (or perhaps a confusion for the 250 MM we know he raced later on ?)

    The real mystery however is Lorenzo Girard, who placed 2nd overall with a 2-liter Ferrari. The report placed him in the corsa class instead of the regular sportscar class. If true, I reckon that should be the 500/625 F2 he ran at Turin’s Valentino GP in 1955. Any photo to confirm this ? Do we have some background on Girard ?
     
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    As chassis I have 0184 F for the car Lorenzo Girard drove at the 1955 Valentino GP. This was the Ecurie Espadon car driven in 1952 / 1953 by Rudy Fischer, Kurt Adolff and Peter Hirt.

    Peter Hirt raced (DNF) in the 13° Großer Preis der Schweiz on 23.8 .1953 and entered (but DNA) for the 24° Gran Premio d' Italia on 13.9.1953.
    Chronologically this fits with Girard obtaining the car in late 1953.
     
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    19-23 November 1953 Carrera Panamericana "Mexico"

    Seventh round of the 1953 World Sportscar Championship

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    #4 Vignale Berlinetta 340 Mexico 0222AT Phil Hill/Richie Ginther DNF
    #5 Vignale Coupe 212 Inter 0239EU (ex-0352MM) Efrain Ruiz Echeverria/Pedro 'Becerril' Villegas 11th
    #12 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 375 MM 0358AM Umberto Maglioli/Piero Cassani DNF
    #15 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 375 MM 0318AM Antonio Stagnoli/Giuseppe Scotuzzi DNF (fatal accident, car destroyed)
    #23 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 375 MM 0320AM Mario Ricci/Forese Salviati/Umberto Maglioli/Franco Cornaccia 6th
    #26 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 375 MM 0322AM Guido Mancini/Fabrizio Serena di La Pigio/Forese Salviati 4th
    #45 Vignale Spider 340 MM 0286AM Luigi Chinetti/Alfonso de Portago DSQ

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    #36 Pinin Farina Spyder Lancia D24 Juan Manuel Fangio/Gino Bronzoni

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    1953 World Sportscar Championship results

    1st Ferrari 30 pts (27)
    2nd Jaguar 28 pts (24)
    3rd Aston Martin 16 pts
    4th Lancia 12 pts
    Cunningham 12 pts
    6th Alfa Romeo 6 pts
    7th Borgward 4 pts
    8th D.B. 3 pts
    Porsche 3 pts
    10th Talbot 2 pts
    Osca 2 pts
    Veritas 2 pts
    13th Maserati 1 pt
    Frazer 1 pt
    Gordini 1 pt
    Panhard 1 pt

    In parentheses : points retained (four best results)
     
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    Second 375 MM PF spyder in the Pinin Farina sequence (PF job #12560), with a special body for Jim Kimberly.
    We will see in 2024 how much this car was raced successfully by Kimberly...
     
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    20 December 1953, Casablanca 12 Hours, Morocco

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    #1 Pinin Farina Spyder 375 MM 0366AM Ascari/de Oliveira Scuderia Ferrari DNS

    #2 Pinin Farina Spyder 375 MM 0360AM Farina/Scotti Scuderia Ferrari 1st

    #3 Motto Spyder 250 MM 0276MM Piotti/Biondetti DNF

    #20 Scaglietti Spyder 500 Mondial 0302TF Villoresi/Ascari Scuderia Ferrari 2nd (1st IC)

    #22 Zagato Coupe 166 MM 0046M Carini/Martignoni 7th (3rd IC)

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    The reason why #1 DNS...
     
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    François Picard brought the first 500 Mondial, but when de Oliveira crashed his 375 MM, Picard gave up his car to Ascari and became a spectator.
     
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  15. Marcel Massini

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    As for race #20 I highly doubt that was 0302 TF.
    Factory build sheets clearly identify 0302 TF as a 625 TF and not as a 500 Mondial.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Ferrari I Quattro Cilindri has the Mondial as 0454MD.
     
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  19. Marcel Massini

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    That for sure cannot be because 0454 MD was only completed July 1954, per the build sheets.

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    It's the earliest serial number listed there for a Scaglietti 500 Mondial. Not my work.
     
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    It looks like there is another one of those curiosities. Barchetta.cc says this:

    Some sources believe that 00404MD was rebodied in an one-off Spyder by Scaglietti. If so, the car would have the results below.

    Other sources believe that 0406MD was rebodied in 1954 into an one-off Spyder by Scaglietti. Others claim these results for 0302TF as the car in question. As a matter of fact 0406MD was rebodied by Scaglietti in the 50's. But this mysterious car appeared at the 12h of Casablance in December 1953 for the first time, and therefore too early to be 0404MD or 0406MD.
     
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    Fantastic pics ! Many thanks Marcel ! Regarding the serial number of the #20, just speculation of course but why the engine of 0302TF would not have been replaced by a 500 Mondial engine ?
     
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    In April 2016 Ferrari Classiche confirmed to me that 0404 MD became 0466 M (250 Monza Spider Pinin Farina).

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Dear Darrell. We are in December 1953. I doubt very much s/n in 040x range existed at this time...
     
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    The engine page of the build sheets for 0404 MD states that engine 0404 MD was built 15 April 1954.

    The build sheets for 0406 MD confirm that it was completed 8 March 1954.
    The factory issued the Certificate of Origin for 0406 MD on the 20th March 1954.
    The factory sold 0406 MD to Franco Cornacchia in Milan on the 1st April 1954.
    Franco Cortese raced 0406 MD at the XIV Giro di Sicilia on the 4th April 1954.

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