Just 2 I noticed quickly in pictures. I'm certain in person it'd be more. 1. The stereo half removed. Who does that? If you want to remove it, then remove it fully. This is a rare Ferrari. Just removing the rear box and having the rear panel have an indentation on it with two bolts and washers sitting there poking out doing nothing is not the correct way to do it. Then the lower dash still has the dash speakers in it. The head unit was removed though. On a $200,000+ car that is a half assed job and why? Money too tight to do it right? What does the wiring now look like? What else has been skipped? 2. The leather looks bad in the pictures. Turns out in person it actually looks way worse too. How, with a car with only 14,000 miles? Did it sit out a bunch? Water? No leather care products use on a rare Ferrari? What other products that should have been used, haven't been used? 3. 11 owners in 20 years. WHY???????????? Might seem minor, but after my experience, it matters a lot to me. I've been noticing that minor issues that are visible usually means larger issues that are hidden. These are not Honda Civics and good owners would stay on top of a 1 in 1300 production Ferrari. Now I think it can be a great car. Just buy it and be ready to spend $20,000-$40,000 to get it perfect. Nothing wrong with that, but it needs to be the correct price to take on that hassle. My new and limited knowledge $0.02.
I’m not sure if they were ever ‘official’ options. IIRC the options list at the time was very limited. The Jean Todt car is basically the same spec as my one (although mine doesn’t have the carbon door handles)
Bumping this thread up. Looks like a manual swap CS (138435) has hit the market and they’re asking 370k https://www.ryanfriedmanmotorcars.com/2004-ferrari-360-challenge-stradale-c-1821/
$370,000 for a non original CS. I’d say that’s about $100,000 over the realistic sales price. What are other people’s thoughts?
Think it depends on if you want a manual CS or not. If you do you’ll have to pay for an original one anyway and then the cost to convert it. Don’t ask me how I know that lol. This seems way easier. Also this is a Modificata/Universal Autosports conversion so all factory Ferrari parts. Same setup I have and I could not be any happier with the car. Unparalleled driving experience.
It started at $399, dropped to $389, then $369 within a few days. I think they are testing the market. Given that it's sub 10k and the conversion is said to cost up to $50k, I suspect it'll get snapped up pretty soon. The counter to that is spending that kind of money when it could get you a nice unmodified example. Maybe it's a "my 2nd CS" kind of car.
In my opinion a manual conversion on a CS should do nothing less than reduce its value. To each their own.
About 1 year ago I was in the small minority when speaking about conversions on a scuderia and the cs. I had said at the time ..in the future the conversion will be worth alot less that a virgin car ..I compared it to a Daytona convertible conversion.. my prediction will come true even for a F1 430 .. The only place it may make sense is a very early 360 due to the F1 system needs some upgrades that may cost half the price of a conversion..but given that a shift 360 is now low 100s I would still buy a virgin stick and fix /sort that car out ..even higher mileage Sent from my moto g power using Tapatalk
While I agree and also don't agree, I can't see a conversion adding value. The conversions are easily attainable and cheap if you do the labor yourself. Paying extra for it now seems silly, and I certainly can't see it with a CS since most buyers want originality. I say this as someone who loves to modify their own CS and who may also one day do a manual conversion. That's a big maybe though. Either way, none of us really know and time will tell and I'm looking forward to seeing what this car actually sells at. I say sub $300,000. Mike
I remeber telling people years ago that black wheels were a passing fancy and they would soon be passe. The F1 transmission for all its quirks, is part of automotive history. Certainly flawed, but also wonderfully mechanical in nature. Like black wheels, looking forward, some if not many of these conversions will be returned to origin spec. But again, if you must have a manual and finances and depleted value are not an issue, go for it.
I also thought that a converted CS would be less value however I was told that one can convert and keep all the original parts and it can e completely reversible. If so then in simple terms the value could/should be original CS value + cost of conversion - converting back (which will be only labour) On the other hand, if you don’t have a CS already, I wonder if a manual 360 with a CS ÉCU tune + a few mods would not give you pretty much the same experience.
I do wonder what it actually sold for though. I keep seeing a lot of dealers ask over $300,000 for these cars, and then a little while after they are sold, but what do they actually sell for? For example, the dealer I bought my car from sold it to me for much less than they were online, but that was not publicized on their website. Just curious.
