A thoughtful, engaged, team player, driver would offer a critique of the engineer's work. But yes, I am sure there are occasions where things are so bad one can't help but to criticize the work.
So there's 2 parts to this deal. Part 1 --> Signing the driver. Enzo would have loved Hamilton over at Ferrari. Part 2 -->Marketing($$$$$) the driver Ferrari just signed to help his own personal cause. Enzo would never allow this. So being the way Enzo is, he would have said to Hamilton "Take the deal as a driver!!!.....or no deal at all!!"
So you think that when Enzo was trying to sign Stirling Moss he would have refused to pay him well? I don't think Enzo told Moss to "Take the deal as a driver!". "At the end of 1961 I went down to Modena," Moss recalls. "Ferrari said to me: 'If you tell me what car you want, I'll build it for you'. I said: 'I want a Ferrari 250 GTO sports car for BRP [British Racing Partnership] painted in their colours and I want a Ferrari 156 painted in Rob Walker colours, then I'll race for you'. He agreed and built the cars."
Moss doesn't have outside projects like Hamilton. Again, it's the driver(Enzo yes) and the projects of the driver (Enzo no).
Moss had plenty of 'outside projects'. He famously raced anything that had wheels and was nowhere near as committed to one series as modern F1 drivers are. What outside projects of Hamilton's cause him to drive slower? I don't follow the drivers on social media and I honestly don't know. I know that Lewis has a dog. Are you saying that dog owners shouldn't be allowed at Ferrari?
Mission 44 project of which Ferrari is funding $250 million Euro's. You're aware Hamilton secured a 400 million euro deal with Ferrari right?
False equivalency Do you think Enzo Ferrari would have allowed HIS Scuderia Ferrari cars to be painted black instead of rosso corsa because of his own driver’s will?
In numbers, you are completely correct. Hamilton is without doubt a very fast racing driver. But, Ferrari, especially in Italy, is much more than winning races. Add style, identity, character, personality. Imo, LH scores poorly there. Too woke for conservative Italy. People over there are not so fond of skirt-wearing, crazy hairdo whiners. Look at Gilles Villeneuve, Enzo treated him like his own son. Italy adored him, though he crashed a lot, won "only" 6 GP's in 6 years, and zero WDC titles
In fact, there was never a question of Moss driving FOR Ferrari, only him driving a Ferrari. That's the difference. Moss was with British Petroleum and the Scuderia raced with Shell at the time, so there was a contractual conflict. Moss drove a Ferrari 250SWB at the Tourist Trophy (he won), and at Le Mans (the car broke) in Rob Walker's colours (midnight blue with a white stripe on the nose). That's the team and the livery that were intended if a deal could be made for the 156 F1, but it came to nothing. The lime green Ferrari 250GTO was indeed delivered to British Racing Partnership (the team belonged to Moss' father, Alfred), but never raced by Moss who has an accident in the meantime. Ines Ireland drove it with succes in several races in UK.
Here is some fashion peices from Ferrari. Doesn't seem like they line up with your idea of Ferrari. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
It depends on how you mean that. If right or wrong refers to a hiring decision, then I don’t see it as a problem. If it refers to something like cheating or other unethical practice, then that’s different. As an example, I’m personally disappointed that they’ve taken Hamilton in. I think it damages Leclerc and seems questionable for other reasons….his age, the impact on team morale, for example. But I still support the team and if Leclerc doesn’t win I hope Hamilton will.
As far as I know, no. I was saying that Moss' terms were very different than what Hamilton had done to the Mercedes works team's cars.
FYI mods, “get pissed” is New York for “get angry,” which is hardly a personal attack, but whatev; you do you.
Thanks, I was aware of that but I understood his post to say that Hamilton made the same demand of Ferrari and…worse yet…that they might have complied.
No. He still has that right. It’s freedom of thought and speech. You just have to put that person’s actions and remarks into that context. Honestly, I don’t think there are any “fanatics” in the strict sense in this forum.
