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  1. desmyhu

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  2. XLR8

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  3. XLR8

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    Watching as same issue on my 2023 F8. To the point it’s embarrassing to pull up with such loud squeals, plus the squeak squeak squeak as I’m actually moving along between 20 and 30 mph is frustrating too. I don’t expect to spend this much on a car for this
     
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  4. sampelligrino

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    Poor us in our 6 figure exotic cars... ha ha only teasing, my Speciale did this all the time as well. Definitely uncouth pulling up to a stop in front of people..

    #racecar?
     
  5. GTf12

    GTf12 Karting

    Dec 29, 2015
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    22 f8 spider and having exactly the same issues but the sound from my car is much less noticeable.
    I wonder what the dealers will say if we bring it in for service...

    It is a little disappointingt, I am not going to lie
     
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  6. Challenge

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    Sorry in advance for this long post. I am something of a self-proclaimed (458) expert brake noise chaser. Your sound is rotational which suggests a pad is making intermittent contact with rotor. This could be from uneven pad deposits on the rotor or possibly some imbalance in the spinning parts (rotor slightly off, wheel bearing issue, etc.) I will rule out the possibility of "warped" carbon ceramic rotors although some people claim it is possible. Either way, the Ferrari Brake Prefill system magnifies any of these rotational imperfections.

    If it was my car, here is the labor intensive--yet free--troubleshooting I would perform for each corner: individually, jack up the corner and check for wheel bearing play. Spin the front wheels and listen for any dragging or high spots. Remove the wheel and check inner and outer pad thicknesses. Are they similar? Looking straight down at the top of the rotor, rotate it and eyeball any runout against a fixed point (the edge of the inner dust shield works well). Do you detect any visible wobble or play?

    Pull the pads, lay some sandpaper on a flat surface and sand the pads down...just enough to de-glaze them a little. Do you see pad scoring on the inner concentric ring where the pad would be closest to the axle? If so, your pad may be making contact with the carbon fiber inner section of the rotor. Search for a remedy here on Fchat.

    Clean EVERYTHING before reassembling. Use only plain water and shop rags to wipe the inner and outer rotor surfaces until all the residue is removed. Clean all sides of the brake pads the same way. This includes not only the friction surface, but the backing plate and top & bottom edges that make contact with the caliper. Clean these like you will be eating off them - no grease! Inspect your caliper pistons as good as you can with a flashlight. Do you see any piston that is retracted a lot more or less than the others? While unlikely, it is possible you have a seized piston. Wipe down your hardware and caliper pins, although this is not where your noise is coming from. Check for rust or any etching on the rotor mating surface and clean appropriately with a microfiber cloth. Same with the inside mating surface of the wheel. I like to brush my wheel bolt threads with a stiff nylon brush before mounting my wheels.

    Finally, when reinstalling the wheels, if the F8 is like the 458, you should actually start torquing with the bolt opposite the rotor locating pin. I like to torque to about 40 lb ft in a star pattern while the wheel is off the ground, then gently lower the wheel where it is just touching the ground and torque to the final spec.

    After all this, go for a test drive. It would not hurt to find a safe isolated road and perform the factory brake bedding procedure per the WSM.

    Good luck!
     
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  7. Giallo27

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    Brake pads need break in procedure. I know it is a pain in the *** but worth it.
     
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  8. desmyhu

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  9. emmholla

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    If the car is driven at least occasionally the way it was engineered to be driven you won't have these issues.


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  10. F8Spider

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    Tracking or very hard driving will cause squeals. I've removed the pads and sanded the glaze off with an orbital sander 150 grit. Then washed everything down with soap and water. Worked every time.

    However, if you don’t want to that here is the info my dealer gave me.


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  11. desmyhu

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    Does changing to new brake pads resolve this issue?
     
  12. F8Spider

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    Sure if your goal is to spend the maximum amount possible. The pads aren't available at Napa for 79 bucks.
     
  13. desmyhu

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    haha... sigh... does it mean that fellow F8-ers are just living with the head-cracking squeaks?
     
  14. GTf12

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    Dec 29, 2015
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    the sound in mine is nowhere as bad as the video posted above. but its still a little annoying.
    i'll ask for a fix on my next service. i can live with it in the meantime
     
  15. F8Spider

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    I don't I just take the pads out orbital sand them and wash everything down. Takes me 45 minutes and the problem is gone until I hit the track again.
     
  16. F8Spider

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    Already did that at my first service and they said it's not a warranty issue they can fix it by replacing the pads or sanding them down and cleaning it up. I chose to do it myself.
     
  17. Melvok

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    IT IS IN YOUR MANUAL !
     
  18. Melvok

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    IF IT IS NOT IN YOUR MANUAL !
    (here from my 458 workshop manual part D.3.04 Brake Pads)

    Bedding in CCM pads
    The following procedure is applicable for both CCM1 and CCM2 brake systems and must be performed EACH TIME the CCM brake pads and/or CCM brake discs are replaced.
    For vehicles intended for ROAD use
    Brake 16 times from 80 Km/h to 20 Km/h with constant pressure on the brake pedal and without activatingthe ABS system.
    Leave the brake system to cool for approximately 120 seconds.
    Brake 16 times from 120 Km/h to 20 Km/h with constant pressure on the brake pedal and without activating the ABS system.
    Leave the system to cool for 180 seconds.
    The ABS system must be triggered during the last set of braking runs.
    Brake AT LEAST 5 times from 120 Km/h to 0 Km/h (vehicle completely stopped), causing the ABS system to activate.
    Allow the brake system to cool completely before using the vehicle again after the bedding-in procedure to ensure maximum braking efficacy.
    As soon as you notice an increase in brake pedal travel, stop the car and wait for the brake system to cool completely.

    For vehicles intended for TRACK use
    Brake 16 times from 80 Km/h to 20 Km/h with constant pressure on the brake pedal and without activating
    the ABS system.
    Leave the brake system to cool for approximately 120 seconds.
    Brake 16 times from 120 Km/h to 20 Km/h with constant pressure on the brake pedal and without activating
    the ABS system.
    Leave the system to cool for 180 seconds.
    The ABS system must be triggered during the last set of braking runs.
    Brake AT LEAST 5 times from 160 Km/h to 0 Km/h (vehicle completely stopped), causing the ABS system to activate.
    Allow the brake system to cool completely before using the vehicle again after the bedding-in procedure to ensure maximum braking efficacy.
    As soon as you notice an increase in brake pedal travel, stop the car and wait for the brake system to cool completely.
     
  19. dohais

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    absolutely same noise. did you find a way to fix that?
     
  20. desmyhu

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    @dohais change your pads. An expensive fix but it worked for me
     
  21. dohais

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    Hello,
    thanks for the reply. Did you order OEM pads or pagid ?
    If oem, by any chance you did photos of back side of new pads? interested to see revision
     
  22. desmyhu

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    @dohais i did original though. only the front ones will do.
     
  23. dohais

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    would be good to see any pics, if you have.
     

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