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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    RedBull did some flo-viz in that specific area.
     
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  2. 11506apollo

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    Looks like Newey is winning the dispute between aerodynamic drag of a radiator and the mechanichal need of radiators. The air intake is getting smaller and smaller
    Why dont they use a bottle of liquid N2 and use the cool N2 gas as a gas-to-liquid heat exchanger..?
     
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  3. schumacherf2006

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    Wellp, that’s a wrap on the season :eek:
     
  4. Ferraripilot

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    The radiators with the shark nose sidepods are being fed, juuuuuust enough

    The Merc was just a mess today, Russell was supposedly all over the place with that thing. Ferrari were just aero testing all day so we have no idea about them yet, but Red Bull are already set up, stable, ready to go.
     
  5. william

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    You are right, F1 designers could to away totally with drag inducing apertures.
    There is already the technology to dispense with air-cooled radiators.
    Strangely it's not used in motor racing yet, but I have seen it on some record cars at Bonneville.
     
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  6. DF1

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    Weight/packaging and or cost?
     
  7. Ferraripilot

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    Russell final stint on C1 hards today were consistent mid 1:35s. This is in comparison to Lewis final stint on hards 2023 pre season testing where were mid or high 1:36s. Russell's Bahrain GP final stint pace on hards was mid 1:37s.

    Merc also showing a much taller final gear they haven't exercised yet.

    We do not have Max times on C1 in final stint but he was doing consistent 1:35.3 - .5 on C3s in final stint simulations.

    We have no real idea re Ferrari yet as their stints have been quite sporadic.

    Things MAY not be as bad as we thought.
     
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  8. TopspeedPT

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    Another boring season it seems.
    Corrupted Red Bull on top again.
     
  9. 11506apollo

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    Yes but can you imagine the benefits of not having sidepodds with frontal facing radiators? Newey would be in heaven
     
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  10. SS454

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    Some of the teams may still have updates sitting in the closet waiting to be tested. So will reserve final predictions until then.

    However, Red Bull have brought the most radical changes after already having the best car. Meanwhile, pretty much all teams have changed their car to be like last years Red Bull. Unless the best aero/chassis team completely got it wrong, this is a recipe for another dominating season. Especially if their car is already looking sorted.

    Williams still can't build anything but a piece of junk. Mercedes hysterically build a porpoising car after they singularly had the rules changed to remove porpoising.
     
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  11. 375+

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    Poetic justice.
     
  12. Bas

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    This is the "they should've listened to me man" car, right?
     
  13. TonyL

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    It was predictable (& predicted) that the other teams would chase the RB route and RB would evolve their car even more and move the goal posts. Lets hope they got it wrong otherwise another romp in the park for MV & co
     
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    Keep that same thought if they win races.
     
  15. DF1

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    The MaxBull Reality:

    —His best time – a 1m31.344s set on the C3 Pirellis, which is 1.493s quicker than his best time on the opening day in 2023 – leaves him Max, with the biggest margin at the end of a year’s opening day of F1 testing since Mark Webber was 0.848s slower for Red Bull than Jenson Button had been for McLaren at Jerez in 2013.—
     
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  16. Kimi2007

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    I doubt seriously Red Bull are over a second faster than everybody.

    Ferrari don't struggle in qualifying. They know how to setup a car for Leclerc to get pole. But that's not were they struggle. Their struggles are the mid and late stints in race trim, and so they're obviously going to concentrate on that on testing, and not go for any qualifying runs right now, when they have confidence in their qualifying pace enough already. What we saw today were probably very high downforce settings from Ferrari, Mercedes, and McLaren for long runs.

    It's all going to come down to who has the best long run pace, which one can never deduce from the single best lap times.
     
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  17. jgonzalesm6

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    If RB found the performance that Mercedes THOUGHT they were going to have then it’s possibly RB could be over a second quicker. That’s what MB claimed their concept could achieve.
     
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    Newey, Waché and co are good but not that good..
    I don’t buy rumors about magical solutions.
    Fact is RB19 was a very strong race car for Sunday and that others failed in this respect.
    Ferrari was pretty close on qualy pace even with a flawed concept.
    Everyone including me is traumatized by last year results but I keep calm ( dominicali and Binotto copyrights).
    Vasseur is doing a SOLID job guys.
     
  20. ferrariwithsnowtires

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    Nice to see Powered by Honda, a team with quality in mind is off to a solid start
    Not concerned about Max beating the dead horses silly this season (or is it silly horses)
    I am looking for Perez to step up and perform consistently, with an extra emphasis toward not looking the fool this year in Mexico
     
  21. SS454

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    I wouldn't call the zero sidepod a magical solution, but I absolutely think there is merit to the idea. Most of us, including myself, were scared when Mercedes came out with the radical design in 2022. Of course we were scared when we saw Red Bull's huge undercut in testing too. There was definitely a reason Mercedes went that route, and a reason they stuck with it for so long. Surely in the data it's the better design. It's no secret that the floor is the main source of performance in this generation of cars, and Mercedes could never unlock it. Their porpoising was so bad in 2022 they had the rules changed, they still suffered in 2023, and have already shown the same condition in day 1 testing 2024. Red Bull on the other had have never had porpoising problems and have the best floor on the grid. Clearly Newey and his team saw something in the Mercedes design and have now brought out their own version, with rumors of a more extreme update in Japan. I don't think it's worth 1 second per lap as Mercedes' simulations may have seen at the beginning of 2022, but there very well could be several tenths. In today's F1, several tenths is as good as a second.
     
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    Valid points I have to say,
    I really hope they won’t deliver as predicted in a way or another because otherwise we are in for a boring season.
    Seems like our team is trying to run as low as possible without deteriorating the ride too much.
    Interesting two days of testing ahead..
     
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  23. jpalmito

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    So it seems Horner would be fired pretty soon ( huge mistake to my opinion) and Marko comments yesterday were full of arrogance.
    To be honest I tend to believe everything isn’t so fantastic in this team right now..
     
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  24. DF1

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    The obvious from testing in my opinion-

    -RedBull are as strong vs 2023, with a car literally planted and no they were not pushing.

    -No other team has a distinct answer or made a major leap to find 1+ sec to pass and beat them consistently to win a title. One cannot be as strong but must be faster consistently. Not seeing it certainly not later in the evening session. Marginally closer yes thats possible.

    Via Autosport--
    On what was an otherwise quiet opening day for the Scuderia, there appeared to be some positive news on this front revealed in the GPS trace data logged from the SF-24 on its best lap (Sainz’s 1m32.584s) when compared to Verstappen’s leading time.

    In the relevant Turns of 4, 8, 13 and the last corner here, Sainz did pull back time on Verstappen. The trouble was, that time and more was immediately lost pulling onto the ensuring straights.
     
  25. jpalmito

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    Very low engine mode.
    Not drag.
     

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