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  1. Devilsolsi

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    Finally going to make my first trip down to Sebring! Can't wait to check a new race off my bucket list.
     
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    Pictures are a requirement! :)
     
  3. Devilsolsi

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    LOL that won't be a problem.

    Here are a few from Daytona. I need to finish editing before I get to Sebring.

    Silver Photos You Took Thread
     
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    IMSA guys are so lazy that they expect manufacturers to make the BOP for them.
     
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    Is this a result of their new BoP process is the real question.
     
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    It is, that’s why the manufacturer got penalized and not the teams

    still dumb. competition shouldn’t be managed to that degree IMO, people need to be able to develop an advantage
     
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    MSR blatantly cheated last year and still got to keep their win. Their punishment really isn't that much harsher than this. Thats why I was debating if this was sandbagging or the BoP process. Suppose it could be both.
     
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    it sounds to me like it was data given by the manufacturer and not sandbagging at the roar (or elsewhere)
     
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    'develop an advantage'...?? That's pretty much the opposite of any BOP rules, isn't it? It's not like I know about BOP rules better than others here, but just for reference....15-20 years ago, an IMSA 'official' told me BOP rules were imposed once or twice a season. Now, it's every race. How do you develop an advantage? Is that racing?
    Guy...... in another thread in recent months you posited something along the lines that 'I'll know I'm dead when I don't care about racing...'. If there's no 'racing', whatcha gonna do? I feel much, or a lot, the same way, but a little closer to the end.
    Shouldn't I, and you, and other like minded, be looking at SCCA Nationals for real racing? I'm open to other recommendations....anything, please, anything.
     
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    I understand the concept of BoP, particularly for customer GT, and it has some merits. but it should be applied annually. if BMW or Ferrari show up with a better car, good for them, Porsche and Corvette can try harder. as you say, this race by race (even session by session!) rules "adjustment" is nonsense. it's not just IMSA either, WEC and SRO do the same.

    that said plenty of good racing out there, I do watch the SCCA runoffs as much as possible. it's usually streamed on YT now. sometimes you get Majors events and things like Trans Am on YT streaming too. TA2 is a good show, reminds me of 80's IMSA GTO.

    WEC and to a lesser extent IMSA hypercar/GTP is in a golden era.

    Aussie Supercars are at Bathurst this weekend.

    BTCC still puts on a good show but hard to watch with all the geoblocking. they do keep the British part intact.

    IndyCar is still great, despite being basically a spec series with 12 year old cars

    WRC was great last year and the first two rounds this year had some big surprises.

    MotoGP is still amazing to watch even if it's not the glory days of Honda v Yamaha v Ducati.

    F1 is OK if you pretend Red Bull doesn't exist and pay attention to 3rd - 10th.

    I'll check in on NASCAR, usually Xfinity the most, depending on track. of all the "how the mighty have fallen", NASCAR has fallen the most.

    I don't know if any form of motorsport is better than it was in the 1980s/90s/early 00s though. and that is sad.
     
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    I agree with most of what you said. BOP should be a couple times a season at most. Make sure you got it right and then don't **** with it. Kinda similar topic is a class that they completely ****ed and doesn't even use BOP....LMP2. They set the homologation, didn't let the manufacturers develop the cars and also don't balance them. So we are left with spec LMP2. That wasn't the right approach either.

    I don't want every car to have a chance to win at every track. I want to see the nuance of each car and track shine through.

    Outside of IMSA/WEC...Indycar is the next best for me. Its a shame that it is basically a spec series but there is some seriously good racing at almost every round.
     
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    This !!
     
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    Sebring today, knock knock where is everybody?

    Anyone at the track?

    Please post some photos.

    It is a dump of a track with the worst surface anywhere but it makes up for it with so much history and atmosphere.

    296's to root for this year.

    I am in Europe but recall going so many times, seeing the 333SP's win, great memories!
     
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    we starting a Sebring 12 hr thread? I'm out for half the day....

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  18. GuyIncognito

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    #17 AWA C8 Corvette has apparently withdrawn from the season and car is for sale

    I thought Chevy did some deep analysis to choose the best partners for the program?

     
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    They didn't do enough analysis about the reliability of the car...

    I am surprised their agreement with Chevy is allowing them to sell the car at all.

    Also interesting they are completely killing the entry as opposed to switching to a different manufacturer if the car was the issue. That said, if I was AWA I would be awfully pissed about how both Daytona and Sebring had gone.
     
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    it think it was the Am guy funding it admitting he was in over his head.

    I am surprised a) the car is his and not on some lease program and b) AWA isn't trying to find a new Am at least for the remaining endurance rounds
     
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    How could he be in over his head...he barely got to drive the thing! :D

    His post about selling the car reads very much like a tempertantrum. You'll notice he tagged Chevy and Pratt and Miller in it. I would be surprised if the car is actually for sale/able to be sold. I would have guessed it was some sort of lease as well.

    THe part that really surprises me is how many issues they have had with the GT3. Both AWA cars had significant issues at Daytona along with at least 1 of the factory cars. (Can't remember if it was both)

    More issues at Sebring along with getting all 4 cars sent to the back after qualifying due to changes to the diffuser supports. I am just surprised that they seem not to have their **** together. I can understand the Mustang having some teething issues but really surprised by Corvette.
     
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    definitely a tantrum. but weird to do that after two mechanical issues. remember, Chevy made a huge deal about vetting (excuse the pun) the lucky recipients of these cars. you'd have thought "likelihood to rage quit" would have been part of that process :p
     
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    AWA was a surprising choice I thought. They weren't really the class of the LMP3 field either. Its a shame though...loved the livery on the #17 car.
     
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    'Over his head'.....financially? Or lacking in driving skills?
     
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    As it happens I am very good friends with both Anthony Mantella and the guys at AWA and have known them for years. In fact Anthony's office is less than a half mile from mine and we often find ourselves at each others place talking racing. I am privy to a LOT of things that are not discussed publicly and many I cannot share here but I am in total support of Mantella selling his car and pulling out of IMSA. The lack of preparation on the part of General Motors (through Pratt Miller Racing) is shocking. So many things that are not spoken about in the media to save face but I can tell you that you would question if the people who built the Corvette ever built a car in their life. These customer cars are nothing like the factory entered ones and it absolutely shows in the lack of development and constant string of sloppy errors on the part of GM. This decision has nothing to do with the cars being off the pace but everything to do with GM expecting a privateer to spend millions and millions of his own dollars to finance development that should be taken care of before the car is ever sold.

    There are a lot of people offering some very strong opinions who do not have a clue of what is really going on in the background.
     
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