812 Replacement Rumors

Probably not on the GTB because of the roof design that’s meant to create a ‘visor’ windshield look. Pretty sure the GTS has coloured A-pillar.

From seeing the prototypes, the 167 doesn’t have a visor windshield but some speculation on this thread about a ‘canopy’ greenhouse may indicate blacked-out A-pillars.

 

I believe this is the case and and there will be perhaps something special with the B pillars to set off the black a pillar / canopy area.

 

Invite for the dealer event in June came today.

By that time nice Purosange pics were already leaked. Still waiting..

 

Based on the photos of the new diffuser element in #6788, i could imagine a similar solution like this. The new diffuser looks like a third exhaust or the nozzle of a fighter jet. This would be a very radical new design solution...
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Cool design; great drawing!

 

In the last of my drawings you can see a more “civilized“ version of the car...
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The mules shown below are from the F12 M, which would later give rise to the 812 SF, and the pictures were taken in November 2016. The F167 mules appear at the top of the three pictures and two of them are from this week's video posted here. The one with the rear side view was taken at the end of 2023. Then this 2016 black mule gave very few clues about what was under the canvas and I'm afraid the same could happen with the F167 black mule.



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I understand very well what you mean! The risk of going in the wrong direction is still very high. But giving up isn't an option for me! And who cares if I'm wrong when the first real pictures appear? Nobody. So I try to translate what I can see in the prototype into drawings. I would like to entertain here and thus shorten the waiting time. And maybe i can push people like ingegnere with it...

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Great work and please continue using your imagination

 

It will be cool to go back once the car is revealed and do a comparison.

 

Good point. I do prefer a body coloured a pillar. I appreciate that more and more modern cars feel like they're doing this, along with black roof which I'm also not a fan of particularly.

 

You're in the right direction !

 

On your post #6806 the bottom drawing seems to have an air outtake above the exhaust. I noticed also that on your post #6809 drawing you maintain the same idea. I could be completely wrong but by observing one of the mule's rear and that "black hole" pointed by the arrow , my guess is that the future car will be having large air outtakes at the rear like the ones in the 812 C. Most certainly with a completely different design.
Like you said if I'm wrong nobody will care.




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The aero-element in the lower part of the diffuser can be clearly seen under the curtain. In the previous prototypes they hide this element well, but here the curtain came off at the back a bit. Either it is used for the controlled removal of air from the underbody or it adds a lower flap/guide vane to the diffuser (as ingegnere suggests). I call it now the “Aero Nozzle.” With its size, it dominates the look of the lower rear considerably and is reminiscent of fighter jets...

@MDEL (#6814): In the real prototype picture that looks more like a shadow to me. In my drawings it´s only a shadow too, sorry! In my opinion the rear will remain very clean. There a only a few dominant design elements. But maybe there is still a mini air outlet in this area. But that is not clearly visible in this photo of the prototype.

 

Below are pictures of the rear of one of the lighter camouflaged F167 mules recently spotted. In the first picture, the rear of the mule has a grid that appears to be an air outtake similar to the one at the rear of the F12 TDF and located in the same area. It is likely that the final vehicle will have an air outtake grid in that location and if this happens it will probably be larger than the one of the TDF.
In the second picture the flap that can be seen on the back of the mule is marked with an arrow. Although its location is much closer to the exhaust pipes, its shape reminds me of the F12 B's Kamm tail flap. I presume is very likely that this flap will be part of the final car's diffuser.


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As an aside, these areas were criticized, sometimes quite severely, when both cars, F12b and F12tdf were unveiled. All these years on, has that criticism been warranted?


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From this angle you can better see in the picture the rear grill of the F167 mule and the one of the F12 TDF. It can also be seen that the locations of the grills are quite similar in the mule and in the TDF. What intrigues me about the mule is that big black hole around the grill. If the solution was a rear fender like the TDF, why open that hole? Was the hole simply made to deceive us?
These are answers we hope to have before the F167 debuts next May.


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In the sketch below I have revised my vision of the “serial version“. There are now air outlets on the rear fenders and I have also reworked the proportions. And yes, there is also a little Lamborghini in the design. If the final design of the F167 goes in that direction, I wouldn't mind...

 

The F12 rear was either loved or hated. I’ve never liked the F12 design and especially the rear - a few tweaks could change the look entirely. I went for the two 812s which to me are marginally a better looking car. Although if I’m honest, I think both the 812 and the F12 look bloated. Hopefully the new car is sleeker with a lighter look.

 

I thought the F12 was gorgeous when it came out, and I still do. Some of the memes are funny, but haven't changed my opinion.

Few designs can please everyone, I suppose.

 

Have had F12, 812 and GTS (still have GTS) - liked them all - I care more about the way they drive IMO - yes looks are subjective but at this level all 3 look good to me

 

Not sure about all the hidden flaps but the TDF is such a beauty. I wouldn’t be taking cues from the rear of the standard F12 for the 167 though. Quite amazing how they turned the F12 into the TDF. It retains the F12 DNA but sorts out most of the problems. When it first came out I thought they hadn’t done too much but the genius is in the details. The rear treatment, the diffuser changes, getting rid of the uterus idea, those rear wheel arch vents and the exquisite front valance. It’s still beautiful.

 

Sometime ago I put together the rear views of five Ferrari models that I thought had a family mark covering the period between 1999 and 2021. Although the 360 Modena, the F 430 and the 458 MM Speciale are rear-engined, therefore are very different from the remaining three with a central engine, when we look at the rears, they all seem to express a common family idea. Even if these models didn't wear the Ferrari emblems they would be easily identified as belonging to the Ferrari family. In aesthetic terms IMO the rear of the F12 TDF is somehow an evolution of previous Ferrari designs. As for the rear of the F12 Berlinetta, whether we like it or not, one has to admit that it was something very innovative and not a "deja vue". While placing all these pictures side by side what caught my attention was the rear of the 2016 458 MM Speciale one-off. The design is magnificent and the 812 Competizione rear design seems to have picked some of the 458 MM rear details .



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I also see a bit of Pista in the Comp’s rear diffuser - it’s massive.

With the TDF, to my eyes at least, they swapped the front and rear motif. The F12b front motif is an upside down “U”, and the rear of the F12b, is a “T” shape. The TDF front end has this “T” motif, and the rear end has an upside down “U”.

When the TDF came out, many people, criticized the rear exhaust boxes, and the wide “fish mouth” at the front. I thought they overly complicated the sleek F12b design.

No more Pininfarina logo on the side, what happened???

Today, what does everyone think about the F12tdf design? I don’t think anyone gets too caught up on these distractions and, instead, just about everyone thinks the car is gorgeous.

I have a feeling we are going to see a very nice clean design with the new car. Because then they can add more over time.


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