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  1. addict

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    #1 addict, Feb 27, 2024
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    I have an F430 and have wired in a ctek trickle charger which is behind my drivers seat, easy enough to use. However, I'm really liking the more modern magnetic trickle charger installation by the OEMs usually near the license plate.

    Has anyone retrofitted one of these to their 430?

    Looks like these guys make a kit geared at the Lotus crowd but no reason this couldn't work for our cars https://hethelsport.com/tools/charger-connection-kit/

    looks like the OEM connector isn't too expensive https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/part/ferrari/314630?id=287859
     
  2. flash32

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    I haven't done it but it definitely would work

    Just curious..why not use the connection on passenger side under dash

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    Unless you may have an older f430 with charger in frunk

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  5. addict

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    I currently have one wired to behind the drivers seat but I'd like to not have to close the wires in the door anymore, its caused a distortion in the PPF

    oh sweet! thank you for the links -- integrating into the oem dummy light is a good idea -- currently I can't get in the car without tripping over it so its easy enough to remember

    2006 so the OEM plug is under the passenger dash if I remember correctly
     
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  6. mwstewart

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    No problem. Yes - passenger side under dash.

    I also plan on adding one as it will be more convinient.
     
  7. kestrou

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    I installed one near the license plate of my Lotus Evora 400 and it was a great solution. Worked well as the battery, like the engine, was in the rear of the car.

    Would be a hassle on an F430 with the battery in the passenger footwell…

    Kevin
     
  8. Andrie

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    The factory connector on the F430 also would make it so that your car can’t start while it is plugged in.
     
  9. Qavion

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    #9 Qavion, Feb 27, 2024
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    If the F430 is like the 360, a plugged-in charger will not stop the car starting unless the charger is actually turned on. On later cars, just plugging it in will stop engine start.
    Maybe someone can confirm this.

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    The effectivity of a "magsafe" type connector would still depend on the location of the connector and how easily it and the cables can breakaway if the car is driven away.
     
  10. sfcarguy

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    This project, however fun, will be far more costly and time consuming than it’s worth. Just have a pigtail in the footwell or run it into the trunk. If you have a habit of forgetting to unplug the tender, just stick a note on the driver’s window.
     
  11. addict

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    isn't fun, costly, and time consuming why we buy Ferraris?
     
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    I don't know about you, but I own Ferrari's because they make cool noises and I smile ear to ear every time I drive them.
     
  13. mwstewart

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    I just checked my car and the loop to ground the instrument cluster warning is part of the connector on the male (charger) side. The MagCode connections are only two pin, so not directly possible to utilise the cluster/start inhibit. It is technically possible to replicate but would require provision of additional electronics

    For most people the reality is accepting that the cluster/start inhibit functionality won't be available when using the MagCode.
     
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    My F430 will definitely would not start if I plug the charger onto the car but not the wall. I tested it multiple times.
     
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    Could you explain what you mean by a loop to ground, Mark. The diagrams show a voltage being sent from the charger to the Instrument Panel.

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    Are pins 1 & 2 joined inside the charger? That would explain this:

    If the charger is not turned on, perhaps the car battery itself is providing power to the coil of relay PSR4 (via a charger internal loop). I previously assumed that if the charger was not turned on, there would be no power on pin 2.
     
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    I believe at least on some Ferrari chargers the pin are connected within the adapter head ..so when the adapter is connected power flows from battery to sense pin ..if others are joined in charger itself..could be ..



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    It might be positive - it's a long time since I wired a Ctek adapter, but the premise is the same: there isn't a simple way to achieve the same outcome with a 2 pin MagCode plug.

    There is a loop inside the charger side of the connection in the standard set up. It's a 3 pin plug. Thread is about an F430 and they all have this IIRC. Some 360s may not.
     
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    I have the old school charger with the four pins by my desk. Pins 1&2 and 3&4 are connected on the charger itself per multimeter. Ferrari chose a different connector on the car side depending on the year. 2005 had a 3 pin under the hood and 2006+ 4 pin passenger footwell.

    When the charger itself swapped over to Ctek (does not have a 3rd pin) guessing Ferrari connected inside the cable.

    I did not want to deal with popping and closing the hood each time on the 2005. I run the Ctek cord out the driver side window connected to the battery pigtail behind the driver seat. Visually cannot miss and Ctek pigtail is tucked away in the rear mesh when disconnected.

    The Ferrari cars using the external license attachment must have the battery in the trunk otherwise why would you want more powered cables running around.
     
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  19. addict

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    The F8 [which has the magnetic charger by the license plate] has its battery in the passenger footwell, same as the F430

    The wiring required for a trickle charger is very small and not heavy at all, the magnetic connector is just more convenient

    I've ordered the connector @mwstewart posted above, once it's here I'll take some measurements and see if it'll fit nicely and hidden in the dead space above the license plate.
     
  20. Qavion

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    Thanks, gents. I've added a note to my F430 wiring diagrams to show this feature (to make fault diagnosis a little easier):

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/0Lcg9UqmeKg3d7CJ
     
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