Red Bull investigate Horner for inappropriate behaviour.

Let's keep this thread and allegations talk going, instead of focusing on this F1 season.

 

Whatever occured outside of the leaked messages, whether or not she "played along" is irrelevant.
When there's a power imbalance it's the ultimate responsibility of the higher level player to stay on the safe side of the line.

 

agreed - this season is starting off to be a near repeat of the last one so anything new is welcomed

 

I agree, although I know you’re being sarcastic. As far as I know the forum is not limited to just technical and on-track matters, so if somebody wants to continue the discussion, why not? Apparently the leaks have kept the matter alive, so….

 

His name was Mosley, not Moseley. I am not really defending him, just readjusting your clock, it needs it !
Perhaps because I don't carry your moralistic baggage, and I don't see anything wrong in what happens between consenting adults behind close doors. It's just not my business, so I abstain from judging it.
Try it, instead of taking the moral high ground and lecturing me about the "court of public opinion". Lol

Pictures you said ? That makes me laugh! Are you that naive ? Have you never heard of Photoshop perhaps? There are real artists who can make very compromising photos, I can assure you.
Now you sound gullible enough to take for gospel what a tabloid printed, that was totally demolished in court.

 

Yep. A lot less boring.

 

I agree he should have known better. Even if she could have made it clearer or went to HR earlier, it still doesn't excuse Horner.

 

His name was Mosley, not Moseley. I am not really defending him, just readjusting your clock, it needs it !
Perhaps because I don't carry your moralistic baggage, and I don't see anything wrong in what happens between consenting adults behind close doors. It's just not my business, so I abstain from judging it.
Try it, instead of taking the moral high ground and lecturing me about the "court of public opinion". Lol

Pictures you said ? That makes me laugh! Are you that naive ? Have you never heard of Photoshop perhaps? There are real artists who can make very compromising photos, I can assure you.
Now you sound gullible enough to take for gospel what a tabloid printed, that was totally demolished in court.

Entschuldigen sie bitte. I misspelled. Really? I guess I hit a nerve.

And here you are begging to get personal in order to defend your heroes. Sorry I don't bite. Keep taking the moral low ground and trying to defend the sickos. Blame photoshop, AI, the media and whoever else you can to justify it. Obviously they were all out to "get" them.

In your own words neither Mr. Horner or Mr. Mosley did anything "wrong". It was all perfectly "legal".

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just a prude.

 

he should have known when he asked her to delete the texts and she said no he was “screwed”. but did that stop him? nope.

 

Even after it was clear he crossed a line and he acknowledged he needed to stop, he still decided to throw in how he yanked his crank on an airplane lol. Like wtf.

 

Yep. Sick puppy. And yet some call it "entrapment".

 

I'm more of a Cocoa Krispies guy. My favorite.

 

Why are YOU so set on finding him guilty? With ZERO real information. Oh right, you asked: "Why are you (that's me) so set on dismissing that MAYBE he did something wrong"? Way to be almost pregnant...

If you think the texts/pictures are legit, well good for you.
I think they are suspect at best and the timing of their release is awfully convenient. Don't you find it odd that if all these texts/photos existed before that we would have seen them weeks ago...rather than right after the independent barrister cleared Horner? I wonder if the independent barrister saw all those texts/photos that got emailed to 200 people?
One of us is right, one of us is wrong. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. Will you?

PS. Did you read those texts? I find it hard to believe a guy like Christian Horner writes and punctuates like a 13 year old.

 

I just use the facts we have available. You are choosing to ignore them for some reason, I'm not. I have said the screenshots could be fake, but I believe they are real. Horner has not denied they are real, which is a pretty big deal imo. The timing makes perfect sense. Case gets dismissed, then let the court of public opinion have a go. I've said the victim is not completely innocent in the matter, but without question neither is Horner. To me this whole thing is not as terrible as they made us believe, but it doesn't mean crossing boundaries especially in a leadership role should be considered okay.

It's not about being right or wrong between our opinions. Right now we have proof of guilt, if you want to call it guilt. But there is public information that puts Horner in the wrong. There is nothing at all that proves he has done absolutely nothing wrong. Since we aren't in a court of law, at the moment there is proof of guilt and he now needs to provide proof of innocence to clear himself.

I continue to question why you choose to ignore all the evidence we have available that shows him in a wrong doing, and nothing that shows him being an angel of innocence. I would say I was a fan of Horner, I still think he's one of, if not the best TP in F1. Doesn't blind me from what shows him to be making some inappropriate choices.

 

Jimmy I'd freely admit it if the texts are wrong and I'm sure anyone else would too. But I believe in my heart they aren't. He'll neither deny or admit it (which says a lot) and hope this goes away. It might- and it might not be proven either way. But given from what I've seen of him I gotta believe they're on the money. They're incredibly telling and just what I'd expect after having seen his behavior.

If they're wrong I'd personally apologize to the bastard given the chance. But I don't think you'll ever hear an apology from him.

 

I’m sure his legal counsel is advising him not to say anything. In these situations that's very sound advice. Presumably the investigation was exhaustive. Nobody outside its boundaries knows all the facts. The investigation was concluded and whatever parties were responsible for deciding its merits and credibility have made a decision based on that. The end.

 

OK.
You're using the "facts" we have available...
Two sentences later you say: "I have said the screenshots could be fake, but I believe they are real".
If they "could" be fake, then they are not "facts", no matter what you "believe". You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.
The screenshots are shaky enough (photoshop pictures, grammar that is not what a 50 year old man would use) that many people have questioned their authenticity. EVERY media report states "we have not authenticated the screenshots/texts". The timing of their release also brings many questions as to their authenticity. Three weeks in we still have only an anonymous "claimant", operating an anonymous Google account. But you are happy to believe THAT.
And the one FACT we have is that the independent barrister basically said "nothing to see here, move on".
Also, you (and Cairns) are assuming that the independent barrister did NOT see the screen shots that were leaked after the ruling. I think he saw everything and just to keep the "trial by public opinion" going, she leaked the 79 files. It doesn't hit you as odd that 79 files go unseen until the "claimant" doesn't get the ruling she wanted and then says: "Oh yeah, I forgot I had all this additional incriminating stuff." I just don't understand how it's so easy for you (and others) to believe her (nameless/faceless accuser) after the entire fiasco was investigated and thrown to the curb.
C'mon...

In the end, Horner might be guilty, what I KNOW is that I don't KNOW, which is the same for everyone here. I do KNOW that he is being irrepairably damaged by this and until we have FACTS, that is not fair.

My dad would call this: "Ready, Fire, Aim"

 

You're assuming that the leaks are legitimate. The media, who is KNOWN for NOT getting it right pretty often is not presenting the texts/photos as fact. They (the media) say: "we have not authenticated the texts/photos". That's a pretty large clue that these 79 files might be...hinky.

Anyway, I'm out. You boys find him guilty or not (which doesn't count in the real world). I'm just repeating myself to a bunch of guys that have already made a 100% decision based on a lot rumor, shaky evidence, and a nameless/faceless accuser, which is contrary to what an independent barrister ruled after seeing REAL evidence.
No doubt you guys know more than he/she does.

 

Who knew... Red Bull is the new viagra ...drink in moderation otherwise

 

Correct - my comments about Horner are all assuming the messages/photos are legit, as I said in earlier post.
The media's disclaimers are simply prudent journalism, covering their asses against potential lawsuits.

None of that impacts the universal truth that anytime a person in a position of power crosses the line with a subordinate they're playing with fire, and shouldn't get much sympathy if they get burned.

 

All smiles with Christian and Geri at Bahrain.


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Picture could be fake.

 

Always "positive" vibes with you.

 

The timing of it.....