I simply cannot fathom paying an auction house 10% of the price. You could almost rebuild a V12 for that kind of $... Buy privately! Regards, Albewrto
Why ? Then nobody’s able to call the “winner”(?) and one or two underbidders as “fools” in public forums. What’s the fun in that, especially at these prices ?
246 GTS #08272 - low mileage example.... sold for US$ 847135,- incl. fees 1974 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS | Gooding & Company (goodingco.com)
That was cheap! Whoever bought, got a great deal... Hope it was a friend that was pining for it Regards, Alberto
As we all know, condition is the big driver in values and some buy without research or knowing diddly squat about the car. Some examples up for sale i wouldnt touch with a barge pole but was the Gooding car sold at that price due to the "perceived" low mileage. Really - those seats dont look like 3000 miles of use or there has been a lot of activity on them in the garage
I do agree... car had some period racing history too.... 4th May 1969 / Targa Florio - did not start, 11th May 1969 / Coppa citta di Volterra, 22nd June 1969 / Bologna-Raticosa und 20th July 1969 / Gran Premio Mugello,
I'm curious of opinions by the value experts here. Which of these is more accurate and true representation of the current "market" ? ... or ... Especially when considering their achieved price spread being so wide, it alone could afford one to buy this... So, is the buyer/winning bidder of $830K example a "fool", considering he/she could've had latter two Dinos ($230K + $550K) for same money (= $830K) ? Or was the consignor/seller of the second example a "fool" letting his/her go for less than 1/3 of the first example ?
I would like to think the 918 is correct in which case i would gladly sell my 1972 GT for only 750 great bargain 98.5 % car at concourso …. But I have learned not to believe everything i see on an auction
And then the UK GTS sold at £300k (approx $380k) https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1973-ferrari-246-dino-gts-ex-peter-grant-led-zeppelin-nY1Bln
That was a high price considering the tatty example imho. Check out the bottom of the doors. It's going to need a lot of work. In good order £380K would be reasonable.
There are lots of issues on that car Tony that are very clear in the photo's and would involve significant time and cost to correct. The side sill panels do not have the correct vertical seam joint (a common issue on UK cars that have had bodywork carried out by non Dino experienced bodyshops), the seats are incorrectly trimmed - look at the headrest covers, the front side repeater lamp is broken, clutch foot rest cover and passenger footrest mat on the bulkhead wall are missing, no Pininfarina badge on the side of the rear quarter panel, incorrect Veglia clock, incorrect seatbelts, worn targa roof panel seals, missing metal trim strips on the door pockets, incorrect targa trim insert panels, missing Dinoplex cover etc etc. I'd say £300k was a very strong price for a car in that sort of condition.
Lots of little things like the chrome rings around the door marker lights but the one that gets me is the classy addition of red paint on the rad cap and fuse box covers, easy fix I know but what possessed the idiot to paint them ! Unfortunately my car has the seam missing on the cill, something i overlooked on the body resto job .............grrr
TonyL Personally, I take issue with the chrome bezel on the door marker lights. If one looks at the parts book from Ferrari two lamps look alike and are often confused. The lamp for the side repeater on European cars; 0200835 comes with a chrome bezel, while the door marker; 0200836 comes without a chrome bezel! 04124, is the US car I have owned since new, has never had the chrome bezel on the door markers! This has been mentioned before, without any comments? Maybe we can clarify this for once!
Neal, all of my UK cars had the chrome bezel on the red lense door marker lights. This is #03050 Image Unavailable, Please Login This is #03342. Image Unavailable, Please Login This is #04054 Image Unavailable, Please Login And this is #07610 Image Unavailable, Please Login
So I take it that none of the market/value experts here is able to offer a well reasoned assessment what they think of the above cars values, not only individually, but also why one is or might be better value than other (and please, I don’t want to hear/read about their “investment potentials” as I’ve never been able to take anyone who commonly uses such metrics on vintage cars seriously or respect them as car enthusiasts. I just see them as speculators.) ? I also understand the psychology behind those who have some vintage car and view them as some sort of investments often seemingly getting exited (& wish to publicly express it) when same or similar car(s) are claimed/reported to have been sold at higher and higher prices, but then seem to get quiet or scornful when one or more is claimedreported to have sold for significantly lower prices, but that’s just emotional view and usually doesn’t offer anything logical or practically insightful about the cars themselves in question and whether or not they’re good “value” for the price they’re being claimed/reported to have been bought/sold for.
Perhaps US cars never had the chrome rings but every 246 I have seen has the chrome ring on the door marker light, which BTW is different to the side repeater chrome ring if i remember correctly. Tony
Parts book dont show individual items that come as a packaged unit, ie if the chrome ring is part of the lenses then its sold as one unit, one part number, not split up
If one looks at the parts book the lights appear to be the same the only difference is the chrome ring. It's just curious how the part without the chrome ring is listed for the door, not the body? Anyhow 04124 never had the chrome ring and in the US we have different side markers.
