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No one took a stab at this.. maybe it got lost in the bickering lol. I'm genuinely curious how this would play out with Ferrari/a dealer for an owner of a factory gated car..

 

Well, to give some perspective, someone took their car in for an unrelated problem. Even though the issue was not related to the shift conversion, the dealer requested the car be brought back to stock before they would diagnose it. I'm sure that will vary from dealer to dealer depending on the relationship you have with them. I think most of us have moved to independent shops for any sort of major service or repair.

 

I'd have figured that to be the case. But my question was from the perspective of someone with a factory manual car..

 

Haha that is my text, this guy Eric Something (who apparently is some sort of Ferrari-wizard?) did not like my opinion on a Facebook group (Someone asked opinions about wether or not to go for conversion cost-wise/investmentwise etcetera… I stated that in the future one would probably have to ‘Frankenstein’ his way in to maintenance for a converted car and I myself believe F1 paddles are more fun too, and I feel like the need for third-party parts is a risk etc. etc.) and out of the blue he called me an idiot, a moron, ignorant, stupid and even began this private-message Facebook post about my daughter, saying he regretted I reproduced and my daughter should be ashamed to have such a stupid father or something like that. Uhhh haha what.the.hell.?!

My point was (and I’m not the other troll here on this topic, so that’s really a co-incidence, that I genuinely believe that changing the cars behaviour in both electronics and way of shifting would not make the car benefit for the future. And I meant the way of handling the transmission, in that screenshot he quoted.

However, not entirely sure what this guy’s problem was but he probably had a very bad day as he wanted to bury me alive for my opinion. Later he stated he would ‘call his Dutch buddies making sure I would never get any help for my Ferrari ever again’ (? Haha whaaattt?) and he would also make fun of my statements on his Instagram.

I just responded I don’t have Instagram and wished him luck. Also a good Easter weekend, but he did not really appreciate that.

Not sure what his problem was. But, as I said to him on Facebook as well, I’m glad he is not my mechanic.

Also, I couldn’t care less what people are saying. But now you have the complete story behind that screenshot. I can also add his very, very aggressive personal name-calling as a screenshot attachment over here by the way, if I figure out how.

Y’all have a great Easter weekend by the way!

 

Factory cars will hold their values irrespective of conversions.

 

I was talking about this scenario. Not sure where values came from.

 

Not necessarily.....there is/will be buyers that if there were no conversions would go through the gates of hell to get a manual, take on more debt, sell vital organs whatever. They will take the less expensive option to get the transmission.

Not much different than the guys buying high miles cars, salvage cars, etc.

We will never know for sure how the factory MT value has been affected by this.....I would be willing to speculate they have. You had say 1,000 cars before...now you have 1,500 cars. Simple economics would predict an effect....unless the demand has increased proportionally.

 

Yep, particularly the v-8s. An exception might be the 599 with just 30 factory MT, maybe the 575 SuperAmerica is low numbers too not positive. I’m going to guess those uber low production number factory manuals will remain super premium over f1 models due to rarity no matter how many conversions are out there. Are buyers paying $800k+ for factory 599 MT buying for the stick and to drive, or for the rarity? I’d vote rarity.

When we’re converting 412s, you know we’re near the end of conversion Ferrari inventory. Before those, 456 will be the canary in the conversion coal mine

 

Ok just took my EAG converted OEM-parts F430 for a drive, and as a self-avowed F1 fan, I can only say wow... there is something very special about a manual F430 whether born OEM or not. I loved my F1 430 and will yet again look for one but the interaction with the manual in the F430 is magical. Sorry about all the politics and multi system jungle it's turned out to become, very grateful to EAG (even though we had our hiccups back in 2019) for providing me with the experience. In spirit of disclosure, I had to do additional work, such as adding the electric clutch pedal switch and redoing the seals when getting a new clutch but the result today is just difficult to replicate even with an OEM manual car. The subtle changes Art did to the OEM bushings etc. make it a unique experience. sorry it has all gone sour. We only go through life once, and things are what they are, there is no parallel universe. Enjoy what you have.

 

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That looks like 3D printed plastic. Was the old component not metal?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

No matter how done the conversion.. and the half-cobbed things I'm seeing.. a fake Rolex will never be a real Rolex. Some people want the real thing.

 

1970 Boss 302, 1968 Hemi Charger. Both easily converted using a standard Mustang or Charger all with correct parts.

Which is worth more, original or Memorex?

We already know the answer and have for many years.

 

Curt's analogy of Rolex feels right. A converted Ferrari is no different than a Rolex Dayona with a custom dial, or aftermarket strap. It's still a Ferrari/Rolex, and can be returned to 'stock' easily. I don't think enthusiasts are motivated by resale value when personalizing these gems.

 

The entire conversion craze started when the idea that an F1 430 could be an arbitrage profit center by merely converting it to a manual. People envisioned huge profits by purchasing an F1, converting it and dumping it on the market.

That proved to be a complete boondoggle as the converted 430's didn't sell for the amazing profit people had hoped for.

Then they tried it with the 360 and that fell flatter than flat. Converted 360's are going for about the same as F1's or even less.

I think a percentage of the converted cars were done for owner enjoyment but I think that percentage is smaller than the greedy who tried to make a quick profit off the unwise.

 

On that you would be very wrong. You are defining "enthusiast" to meet your needs, not reality. Many enthusiasts are very insistent on originality in the real world, especially the Ferrari world.

 

Once again, the conversion conversation needs to be bifurcated between OEM parts and Non-OEM parts. That's the difference-maker here.

 

Also, many enthusiasts grew up with a dream of a gated manual. Doesn't make it any less a Ferrari. Either way, there's no point in arguing as it's a completely subjective topic. I don't think anybody is doing a conversion with the intent on "flexing" a fake manual or hoping to gain extra cash at sale time, despite that perhaps being the case on the rare occasion. People doing the conversion now want a gated experience but don't want one of the older Ferrari's that could more easily be obtained with a manual and doing the conversion is not a complete perversion of what the car is. Now, converting a 458 or something that never came as a manual would be a different take entirely.

 

I agree with this. Although I'm sure the fake Rolex camp is still going to frown upon my OEM converted CS lol

 

Yes, many enthusiasts insist on originality above all else, especially Ferrari. But somehow enthusiasts supported the creation of AMG, which turned out to be so popular among enthusiasts that Mercedes bought it. Porsche enthusiasts funded Ruf, Singer and all the other 911 non-originals. Carobu have been hot rodding Ferrari engines for a long time, their customers keep coming. Even Koenig Specials seem to be finding a niche among present day Ferrari enthusiasts.

 

I have a Memorex 69 Hemi Charger. It's worth less

 

Maybe in the long term the converted cars will loose their appeal - does a spider-converted Daytona sell for more than an original berlinetta today ? and at the same time, an original Daytona spider is still commanding a large premium; not really because people prefer a soft top (although they might), but because of rarity.

 

No doubt. It's hard to imagine any after market conversion being worth more than a factory parts conversion, unless the overall condition of two cars in question is far from equal.

 

No one is talking about passing a fake as real but you and yes, conversions have been done in an attempt to increase value. In any event neither of those is what I addressed. The concept stated that they were equally accepted by "Enthusiasts" was my singular point. No, many enthusiasts look down their noses at fake anything so the term applies to people with many opinions.

 

It’s hardly a fake Rolex you just swapped out an oe oyster for a oe jubilee