Great pics, sorry to hear they weren't helping with the obvious "from factory" issue
Thanks Buddy appreciate the vote of confidence, although the purpose of my post was to share my experience so others would be better informed when this eventually happens. PS. Good luck on the new Pista purchase, beautiful car.
Advice that was given to me by current and former Ferrari techs, service advisors, and Fchat members: If you have a warranty of any kind on your car and want to increase the likelihood of coverage, either: Do NOT modify your car (I’m in this camp) Return your car to stock before taking it to the dealer or making a claim. Of course, with some claims, forensics can be conducted to trace the origin of the problem. Like many kinds of insurance/warranty policies, Ferrari will look for ways to deny coverage.
Carbon777- The broken shaft of this turbo is CAST IRON? So I manufacture machine tools, and have received in thousands of castings. One would think if these parts are being cast for shafts in turbos, the care in selecting the raw material would be incredibly stringent. I have out of thousands of castings, SEVERAL that have inclusions, weird material in BAD places. Since my foundry uses a mix of scrap and new materials for castings, it's really a crapshoot. As I'm machining a casting a HOLE can just show up in the casting that from the outside, there's NO SIGNS of it. SO as I go through grief at times machining castings, and the amount I do is MINISCULE compared to an automaker, I can't imagine how a company can 100% control their mix, and we end up with car parts exploding. NOT often, but castings have inclusions and pockets. In another life, I dealt with a LOT of IHI turbos on Maserati BiTurbos. These seemed to have a cast exhaust impeller, but certainly a steel shaft that it fastened to. Can't tell in your pictures, was the shaft cast as part of the exhaust impeller and then machined? While cast iron can be tough and harder than hell, it's also brittle. I get in some castings that weren't annealed correctly, and I can't drill a hole in them. This is in Ductile and or Class 40 gray iron.
Much respect and appreciation for the OP for posting an informative thread with details, solutions / options, and positive interactions! Random thoughts: Turbos can and have failed with less miles. Not often, but it happens. More often than not, Ferrari can tell how long you let the engine warm up before going full boost. They can also tell how long you let is cool down before turning the engine off. LOL....... which is more disgusting... a car company that literally lays it out in black and white for an owner that any modification can void / affect a warranty claim or an owner who makes said modification and expects a car company to repair a failure under warranty? FWIW, if you haven't had a claim yet, you could cancel your policy and get a refund. Its takes some time, but its an option. Factory warranty, Warranty Extension, Power 15, as well as Main Power15, all cover failed turbos due to manufacture defects. **Aftermarket modifications can and will affect the above coverage Question one should ask themselves.... If warranty did not cover a failed turbo due to aftermarket x-pipe... what is the expectation when an engine fails, with aftermarket turbos installed? 2 Points 1. Please do NOT try and cover up that you had aftermarket bits or pieces on your Ferrari. It will come out and you will have burned whatever relationship you had with Ferrari. Even worse, say you get away with it and the dealer misses it, and performs the repair " under warranty. THEN ,when the warranty claim is submitted, Ferrari NA or SpA catches the data or inspects the parts, realizing there were outside influences in play.... the dealer gets charged back or worse audited for other possible claims... all because an owner didn't want to take responsibility for their own decision? I have some stories I can share... 2. I have not once in 12+ years seen an instance where Ferrari was looking for a reason to deny a claim for a client. They have all been pretty open and shut claims. ( I have overseen thousands of Ferrari claims BTW ) Now, do they hold the dealer responsible for crossing every T and dotting every " i ".... absolutely. I could share some stories... but that for another thread... LOL All of my comments above come from a respectful place and are meant to offer a polite counter point to those quoted. Steve
Yeah I can't see how Ferrari would cover the engine if you replace the turbos with aftermarket ones, so you're in a pretty crappy spot unless you take the above advice and request a refund on the prorated warranty and then just do the aftermarket upgrade and take your chances.
Steve , I have a question please . If the F dealer installed a valve opener / closer that was purchased through them and a turbo gives out , do you think they would cover that ? Assuming the car has full bumper to bumper warranty.
It would be interesting to see what the CPO checklist includes. Apparently the tech needed to have a "confirm absence of X-pipe" item on it to have noticed it. What a joke.
The warranty IS NOT WITH your Ferrari dealer....your cars warranty IS WITH Ferrari the manufacture. Ferrari the manufacture will decide if your warranty claim will be honored, not your dealer. Dealers can and will tell you anything and sell cars with mods. However this is happening less these days and my local Ferrari dealer will not install any so called mods anymore per Ferrari the manufactures warranty. This stance of vehicle modifications and warranty is not just Ferrari but many manufactures. Porsche is very strict these days. I just bought a new Jeep Wrangler 392 and the same applies to it with adding bigger than stock 35" tires, taller lift and so forth.
Very informative. Looking forward to the option and shop you decide to go with for the turbo rebuild. Also will be nice to see some photos of the installation process. Your garage looks awesome. Keep us posted.
The OP added the X-Pipe AFTER he purchased his car, so nothing to confirm, other than it was OEM when inspected and sold. I attached the CPO check list for reference. S
Officially: Ferrari may decline a warranty claim if any aftermarket items have been installed. Not making any promises, but I do not see an issue as you outlined it above. Now, if the controller shorts out, causing the ECU to then short out, go forbid causing an electrical fire... yeah, probably not a warranty repair. S
SAFE4NOW is correct in every one of his posts in all these threads about warranties and aftermarket parts. Listen to him. It’s very clear— just people want to keep finding ways around the rules and justifying why it’s ok to do suspension and exhaust and ECU tunes and everything else. Do it and self insure and take your chances or leave the car factory in all ways and have the warranty peace of mind and coverage. It’s no more complex than that. Two simple choices. It’s the manufacturer, not the dealership and it’s a hard and fast written factory policy and guideline. Clear as day. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
This is correct. Mod the car, void the warranty. Period. Full stop. No exceptions. The OP modded the exhaust after purchase, voided his Power15 warranty, and the whines like a little girl that Ferrari “does not take care of its customers.’ Ridiculous.
Ya, his driveway is all great but now his car needs to be all redone [emoji23] Jk Eric, you’re a beast Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I am sure everyone appreciates the deep insight of reiterating the exact same point we determined at the beginning of this thread. *gold star for Todd*
