Mark, Look on the inside of the rear fender liners. The Assembly number is etched on them. It is also on the back of every single interior piece of trim. My car...#21561 Built May 1977 Assembly #295 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
An easy piece of interior trim to remove is the leather cover on the B pillar inside between the door glass and rear quarter lite. 2 screws and it is off! The Assembly number should be written on the aluminum.
Thanks. My car was heavily modified with grey F-40 like interior. I can only hope they re-covered the original panels vs. replacing them from a donor car. Fender liners may be more likely original. I’m guessing the inscription is on the inside of the fender liner (facing the body and not the tire)? You seem to also have one near the passenger rear shock mount if I’m seeing that correctly. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
A pillar covers didn’t have anything I could see. I looked very closely at both. Either too much glue residue or not there. By the driver rear shock looks like a 1 but not sure yet. Maybe also on the passenger side fender liner. Or it’s a scratch and I want to see a “1”. I’ll probably remove the passenger rear fender liner when I replace belts, but that will be a few weeks. I might pull one of the seats. She is being very elusive! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I have found the build number in several places. Fender liner and the underside of the carpet, passenger side. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I’ll pull the fender liners tomorrow. Or later this evening. The carpet looks newish for a 77. I have a feeling it’s been redone. I’ll check right now, provided it’s not glued down. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Uh.. Is the floor pan just ahead of the seats supposed to be fiberglass or plastic?? (Nervous eye twitch) All carpets are new (ish) as I suspected. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
if you remove some more paint, there should be a 3 before the 55 so the car is perfectly in sequence! thank you!
It’s build number 52, that is found throughout the car. For some reason, I have a set of 34 carpet. Chasis number 18899.
Can you please explain? It doesn’t look like there is anything to the left of the first ‘5’ unless the numeral is spaced further away. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Sure, 21819 is a June 77 production car. A GTB between the known body numbers 332A and 377A with a very high probability of having the 355A for its body number (compared to the number of US chassis between the 2). So 2 hypotheses: - Forgetting the 3 when typing - Use of the vetroresina donor chassis during re-manufacturing (number 55A dates from the 2nd batch of US vetroresina from June 76). If the car shows no other traces of any re-manufacturing, then it would be interesting to sanded a little more or look elsewhere (on the front and rear lid for example) to decide on the real number of the car. Personally, I'm leaning towards a 3 which would be less deep and covered by paint rather than using a glass chassis as the cars are different in many aspects. Funny, I know the chassis with body number 34, it is 18829, a Rosso vetroresina of course, with Crema upholstery and at present, a lighter version of Bruciato for the carpet (which therefore goes in the direction of a change of color). It is really rare to have the body number under the carpet (or at least still readable).
I am intrigued now more than ever. The '1' that was in the body number area did look like a '1' but apparently was only paint deep. The 55A was below that and I will try to gently sand away some more paint to see if there is a '3' nearby. the '55A' has a very shallow impression in the metal. I'll sand after I look in some other areas. I know the seats were recovered with leather but hopefully there are numbers underneath. Clearly a steel chassis because of the magnet test and the pinch welds. But there is an impression on the A-pillar where there is a seam on VR bodies. Almost like it was filled. I'll try to get a photo. Maybe that's normal.
I'm sorry for sowing doubt. I am available to help if necessary from images. thank you very much for "waking up" this thread
Thanks! I’m still looking. In the meantime, there is this photo of the ‘55’ area which you can see does not appear to make an impression in the frame. The engine cover and bonnet seem to have no evidence of a stamp though I haven’t sanded yet. Will send photos as it is now. But I was hoping there was another place I could look without removing paint. I can remove the seats this weekend, but since they were re covered with leather, I don’t know that the same cushion was used. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Yes I had seen this photo. I think there may still be an early figure as they aren't stamp very deep. This at least gives confirmation that the car came from the factory Giallo! There is not much chance of finding the number on the seats. The only places where it can appear without disassembling are the front and rear lids (ask if you don't know where they should be). Even if the number is not visible with the various layers of paint, it will at least give the idea if there are 2 or 3 digits in the number. This will already be a clue (there is no "A" on the lid) It also sometimes appears on the front headlights (but you have to disassembly), sometimes also on the door hinges (at least on the vetroresina) Then, there is a lot on the interior elements (door panel, door, under the console, under the dashboard) but this requires removal.
I’ve seen photos of where it should be on the lids, so I’m reasonably certain of where to look. I’ll send photos for you to confirm before sanding. The door hinges might be easy. I believe there is a cover over the body side that needs to be removed to check this, correct? I’m not certain where (or which side) I should look. Driver and passenger door? Mark Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
It's really not sure about the hinges but if the number is stamped, it is on the part of the door, not behind the cover where the push switches are located. It should be visible to the naked eye without doing anything. This would especially surprise me if the donor car was a vetroresina because all the opening attachments are different and technically, I don't see how he could have kept them, that's what makes me think of an additional 3 somewhere so that this car fits perfectly into the sequence. But that's just my opinion of course. With a little luck, when removing the fuse cover, you can sometimes see the number on a piece of paper tape stuck under the dashboard (it depends on where the factory tech put the tape but I have seen several cars (including mine) with this one very readable vertically from the fuses. In my opinion, if scratching a little more is not enough and if the lid numbers are not readable, you will have to wait for a restoration to find it
OK, thanks. I doubt this was swapped outside the factory. I agree that it is probably 'n55' or possibly just '55'. The '55' is definitely part of this car. So I'm comfortable ruling out '1' at this point, unless there is some more compelling evidence. Everything on the car seems to be original but clearly removed and replaced multiple times. The interior was completely removed and recovered with the grey wool (most of the original black vinyl is still underneath), so I don't expect any original tape to be found. However, last night, I removed the center console control panel and I could see the top of center tunnel with large bands of very old tape or paper holding things down. One of those pieces of tape looked like it might have some writing on it, but I couldn't get a good look at it and didn't want to risk pulling it for fear of tearing it. I would need to remove the center console to see better. On the headlights, where might this be found? I can pull the fender liners also. I just have a feeling that since the suspension has been upgraded and the car raced, that the liners may have lost any markings they once had unless it was inscribed. As I said before, i will be restoring the interior soon (beginning in a few weeks) and then I'll be able to look at door panels, doors, etc.
The tape that holds the wire are not the piece of tape on which the assembly is written because it is not a part related to body assembly. We must not forget that this number was first stamped by Scaglietti (even if it was within the factory), and all the electrical harness is the same on the 308 (depending on the market of course), there is no particular action to be done during assembly. Inside the console (the main part, not the little front one) you should be able to see, or a piece of tape with the number, or a number directly written on the fiber. if not, that is because it was a piece of tape, and then had been removed as you said, on the multiple "life" action of the car. One of the most obvious stamp is the one on the door frame but you need to take off the door panel. The number is sometime very deep under the paint but it is just in the middle of the door, on the edge of the center hole. By chance, you could find the tape or the pen mark on the door panel, on the arm rest as well, and sometime on all the little piece of metal which covering the edge of the leather from the door. I've already seen one behind the small piece U shape that cover the below of the inside door handle. unfortunately, all these numbers gradually disappear over the course of production with the standardization of production. The first vetroresinas have a lot more than the steels car. On headlights, it is sometimes noted inside the cover, on the grainy side but it is noted with a felt-tip pen, almost like chalk... so it does not last long unfortunately. I've seen it before, but on unrepainted cars.
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Here are the two lids where I assume the numbers should be. The front bonnet looks very uniform. The engine cover is rough. On that, I managed to get through the black and some yellow, then to either black or metal. Nothing obvious but possibly a slight “5” impression. I’m hesitant to sand down to metal. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
