Their has been many 4 seater 4 door performance saloons, estates and hatchbacks that have excelled in motorsports and on pure abilities on the road against "sports cars" in a similar price bracket, especially the homogaltaed rally and track specials.
Great! All the more reason you should stop posting on Ferrari Chat since Ferrari doesn’t make a sports sedan! Lambo and McLaren don’t either, so maybe you should try the Porsche or BMW forums .
The fact the best selling passenger vehicle in the US is the Ford F150 tells us all we need to know about the US's buying habits, those things are one of the worst dynamically driving things on sale.
Trucks are the most practical vehicles you can buy, and they are by far the most popular vehicles for blue collar and rural owners because they are made to haul and tow stuff, so yes, they reflect that lifestyle perfectly. What does that have to do with your arguments in this thread? Your entire point seems to be focused on convincing Purosangue buyers that they would be better served by getting a sedan or Lusso over a Puro. You absolutely won’t be changing a single person’s mind, but what you are succeeding at is making everyone laugh at your unbridled ignorance. So with that said, I’ll pose the same question to you that Fortis did. We already know you don’t like the Puro (and no one cares), so what exactly are you trying to accomplish with your posts?
The GTC4 Lusso is a 4 seater GT with a hatch, and fitted nicely into the 4 seater sports GT segment. Sadly Ferrari has abandoned that concept for one that is inferior and makes little sense outside of trends and fashion. Is this you being the forum policeman again telling me what to do? Are you going to start insulting me with petty names again like you did before in the other thread? I will post were ever i like, and if you can't handle someone making objective comments on an open discussion forum that's your problem.
What are you trying to accomplish posting " The Puro is very fast!"? When its slower than the car it replaced.
So you’re upset that Ferrari got rid of the Lusso, you think it’s better than the Puro, you don’t like SUVs because you think sedans are better. Got it! So why are you still posting? You’ve stated those points already numerous times, but you aren’t changing anyone’s mind. And yes I think you’re extremely ignorant. This isn’t me being a policeman, as you can post wherever you want. But if you aren't adding any value to a discussion (which you are not), and instead detracting from it, it makes me wonder what you’re trying to accomplish other than trolling. A simple question you still have yet to answer.
It’s not replacing anything. It’s Ferrari’s first SUV. It’s “very fast” in relation to the other SUV it’s racing in the video, which means it’s one of, if not the fastest SUV you can buy. And you wonder why I think you’re ignorant!
You could have saved tons of posts buy just saying "I prefer sport sedans to SUV's". We get your preference, but it's not clear what your preference has to do with anybody else's preferences. We all get that sports sedans can perform better than SUV's. Is there anyone here that you don't think already knows that? Most of us want a "regular" car for daily use, and quarter mile performance is very, very far down the list of what's important in a daily driver. All this said, according to Car & Driver, the Lusso takes 11.5 seconds to do the quarter mile, versus 11.7 seconds for the Puro -- and the Puro is faster to 60 (3.2 seconds versus 3.5) and faster to 100 (7.5 seconds versus 7.9). It is the context of the Puro being an SUV, that makes that the fact that it outperforms the Lusso (except for 1/4 mile) so impressive. https://www.caranddriver.com/ferrari/purosangue https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15077056/2018-ferrari-gtc4-lusso-t-first-drive-review/
Nice, more name calling. Ferrari are no longer building or planning to build a 4 seater GT car (lets see what happens once they introduce their electric cars), the SUV Puro has replaced that long historic line. I just don't like concepts that make flawed sense in engineering terms, especially when in my own personal experience of driving a Puro and a Lusso on the same roads on the same day the older car was the better driving, faster an more enjoyable one ( which was unexpected, as Ferrari almost always take a step forward with replacement models). If Ferrari had continued the 4 seater GT car concept, and built a whole new car, I'm 100% sure it would do everything much better than the Puro does.
You have missed my point all along! It's classed as an SUV, but doesn't do the things that an SUV should/can do. It's no different to a Saloon car or Estate/Wagon in terms of its space or usage profile, but it has all the negatives which come with a higher centre of gravity and a higher weight. I find the whole Puro concept from Ferrari to be lazy and a money grab. They had a clean sheet of paper to do something totally fresh, clever and inventive, but for me they have come out with a concept that is a step back from the one it's replacing in so many areas.
Then stop posting ignorant comments. No one in here cares what you like. That's the part you haven't seemed to figure out. It's the Puro forum. Not the Lusso forum.
Yet they could sell 20,000 Puros a year should they wish to and Lusso sales were a fraction. That is why. Businesses exist to make money. The market has spoken loud and clear. People prefer this type of vehicle. Period. Not sure why that doesn’t seem to register with you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Again, no one in here cares about your opinions. We are buying the Puro, not the Lusso. If we wanted a Lusso, we'd buy one instead and save hundreds of thousands of dollars. To me and many others the higher ride height is a plus, regardless of how it affects the center of gravity. That's one of the main reasons we buy SUVs over sedans. I will always, always choose a SUV over a sedan for a daily driver. And it will supplement my 2-door sports cars.
Oh no, i fully know the market (although I don't understand it), and can't deny how successful all of these overweight, poor handling and inefficient SUV's are for most car manufactures, it now also seems including Ferrari. But that is a whole different topic. I personally would say its a waste of what's going to become rarer and rarer, the glorious Ferrari V12 engine. I expect going forwards once the current V12 Puro's are old news and out of fashion (nobody wants an old SUV, they loose their desire and elegance once they look out of date), many of these Puro V12's will find homes in other V12 Ferrari's needing engines.
What do you prefer about being higher up? My mum and sister say the same. It's such a bizarre concept to me wanting to be higher in any car. I always want to be low as possible. I have sold cars before due to just the seats not going low enough. I sold a GR Yaris for this very reason last year, it was a brilliant fun daily driver in every other way, but it was horrible feeling like i was sitting on the car, not within it.
What does it matter what I prefer about it? It's completely irrelevant that it's bizarre to you. You aren't going to convince me I should get sedan over a Puro, lol.
Sometimes a vehicle is used for purposes other than simply being a go cart for handling. Have you ever had someone you would like to bring along who cannot physically get in and out of a low slung car? At times, is it nice to be able to see more than the center caps of adjacent wheels? No everyone is the same. For myself, I don’t drive the same thing every day. It depends on what I’m doing and where I’m going. Some days it is a pickup, some days a Jeep. Some days an F8, some days a 911. My wife gets anxious if we are in heavy traffic and too low to the ground. At the end of the day, the Lusso is also a silly car. Awkward looking at best, difficult ingress/egress to the back seats. The only reason I wanted one was for the glorious V12 and being able to take more than one person. My wife said no way we are buying that ugly thing! Another thing is that harping on and on about the Puro being an SUV is silly. I’m not getting pedantic with you, but Ferrari never calls it an SUV. And what is an SUV? A Sport Utility Vehicle. Which means it is sporty and has utility. A Chevrolet Suburban is classified as an SUV. They don’t handle great in case you don’t know. But a family of six can go on vacation in one. Anyway, you prefer the Lusso to the Puro. I do not. So, don’t buy one and I won’t buy a Lusso. But seriously, injecting how stupid you think it is on several threads is not very endearing and is not a good look. Just wasting time here talking reasonably to you. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Okey i have genuine question ( and i will keep my own personal views on SUV's out off it) and i know nobody can really answer it accurately, but i would like to hear the thoughts of you guys that love the Puro. I know that all previous 4 seater Ferrari's from the 1970's onwards have always depreciated badly compared to their stable mates in the first 10 years or so, then they balance out once when they get to a certain price / age. The Puro starts at a very high price and are going for big overs right now ( still very few are on the market, but they are going for around £100k over in the UK). The Urus is 5 years old now, but it's holding its value in the UK very well so far. The cheapest with 50'000 miles on the clock are still £150k ($180k). But will they still hold so strong when the whole new Urus arrives? The Urus to me has always been a VAG parts bin special in a fancy body, which the Puro is not. Many other top end sports or premier SUVs like Range Rovers and Cayenne's absolutely tank in value here. You can get first gen in good condition Cayenne Turbos for under £4k. At the low end Bentayga's go for £50k, which is also a relative huge drop. What are you guys expecting to happen in the Puro market over the next 5 years, 10 years and long term? Are the Urus and Puro changing the whole used SUV market? Due to the V12 Puro's very strong start is it fully expected that long term its going to hold value better than the previous 4 seater Ferrari's?
Speaking for myself, I don’t expect the Purosangue to hold its value any more than any previous V12 four seater. For me personally, I don’t really care about the depreciation on the secondary market. These cars are all about the total experience of driving. I plan to drive the car for a while and maybe swap for the 812 replacement when it becomes available. I have some cars that I plan to never sell but this is probably not one of those. But who knows, it might be a vehicle we can throw our pups in and head across the USA! Room for us so my bride is happy and a glorious V12 which always makes me smile. Make no mistake, the engine is the appeal for me. I would not purchase otherwise. Because, as you have stated, there are other vehicles that will provide the function for less money. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
You are not wasting time at all. Thanks for your reply. It's okey to have differing opinions on things. I'm not sure in its long history if Ferrari's had in its design brief that their cars should be easily accessible by the physically impaired. But with the age of the average owners rising all the time, it makes perfect logic if it now is. The Lusso replacement could have had 4 doors and not been so tall or heavy, but it would not have been so in vogue, i except that.. I'm also lucky enough to drive different cars on different days depending on where I'm going, what I'm doing, where I'm parking, the weather and who i might be taking. But i also see every car journey i make as very valuable time doing one of my favourite things, driving. I'm also lucky enough to live in area which in every direction i leave from home has some of the best roads in Europe for performance cars. People travel from all over the world to drive my local roads, and they are firm favourites with the UK car journalists and car company's not only for testing, but also for filming commercials. I don't want to waste any of my valuable driving time behind the wheel of a compromised SUV.. But i accept its's each to their own on that one, and not everyone is the same or lives in a driving heaven like i do.
