1989 TR BBK Clearance question | FerrariChat

1989 TR BBK Clearance question

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Mrvaka, May 3, 2024.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Mrvaka

    Mrvaka Rookie

    Mar 6, 2024
    8
    Full Name:
    Mister Vaka
    Hi all,

    Sorry. Realized I never introduced myself. I just recently acquired a 1989 Rosso Corsa TR. Great price! I am in my early 30s, 1st gen guy, who always dreamed of a TR. life took some good luck induced turns, decided to get one for myself and because I think it’ll be an appreciating asset/garage queen.

    Anywho, my problem: purchasing the car (from other state) a front installed BBK kit was not mentioned, but the guy inspecting the car said brakes were just re-done. I took that as meaning, brake pads, etc. regular brake work. My fault.

    I drove the car and at low speeds when hitting the brakes I hear a loud squeal and sometimes a grindy clunky sound.

    took a look thinking maybe grease wasn’t applied to behind the pads, but then I noticed that there’s barely any clearance between the BBK caliper (Tar-Ox 6) and the drum (face clearance looks fine). See atttached pictures, looks to be between 3-5mm. I was able to stick the rear thick end of a butter knife from behind the wheel between the drum and caliper.

    is this enough clearance? Could this be the issue?
    Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 10, 2002
    28,696
    socal
    It is plenty but wheel weights could be close depending on what kind wheel weights used and what type. Groan can be from several things. Most likely just pad on rotor. More likely when pad one on rotor is different from pad 2 on rotor. Pad compounds and pad transfer can cause noises and pedal feel changes that really do not effect performance.

    The more critical thing is did the person making the BBK match the Caliper to the master cylinder for a good working system. If that BBK kit is known then probably fine. I see guys using porsche calipers put on ferrari saying works great because they fit. There is more to it than that. If the BBK you have is not a known kit report back here and I can give you some direction as to whether the BBK you have works with what you got. There are ways to field test the brake system.
     
  3. Veedub00

    Veedub00 F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 30, 2006
    5,056
    Troy, Michigan
    Full Name:
    James
    I feel if those were rubbing you’d definitely see scrape marks on the wheels. It looks like the new brake pads might be scraping the unworn part of the rotor. Maybe that’s what you hear? Oh they are slotted. Maybe it’s just settling in?
     
  4. Mrvaka

    Mrvaka Rookie

    Mar 6, 2024
    8
    Full Name:
    Mister Vaka
    I might just need to bed these pads and/or grease the rear of the pads.

    the BBK kit is known and looks like bespoke for the TR:
    https://www.taroxbrakes.us/product/front-tarox-brake-kit-ferrari-testarossa-ii-4-9/

     
  5. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jan 11, 2001
    26,618
    30°30'40" N 97°35'41" W (Texas)
    Full Name:
    Steve Magnusson
    Sounds like you need to do some more serious inspection -- e.g., these "kits" often use another adapter piece between the steering knuckle and the caliper = just more bolts/bolted connections that might be loose or not sized correctly, wrong length bolts, etc.. Those "crustified" caliper mounting bolts (with no lock washers) in your picture don't exactly inspire confidence...
     
    Rifledriver and turbo-joe like this.
  6. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

    Apr 6, 2008
    9,428
    southwest Germany, France ( Alsace ) and Thailand
    Full Name:
    romano schwabel
    thank you for your little introducing. but what is your technical knowledge? this would help us to help you. so as I read your problem I think you are not a beginner? ;)

    what drum you mean? the inside side of the rim?

    from the front ( so where the BBK kit is installed) ? both sides or only 1 side?
    remove the wheels and have a look exactly, somewhere you may see scratches

    what about when you go faster? check the wheel bearings
     
  7. Mrvaka

    Mrvaka Rookie

    Mar 6, 2024
    8
    Full Name:
    Mister Vaka
    just slightly past beginner haha. And can learn pretty quickly. Most technical work I’ve done is install suspension parts, CAI, and exhaust (not on this car). Nothing beyond that in difficulty. And yeah the wheel drum/inside of rim.

    from the front I mean the calipers have enough clearance from the front of the face/not an issue there.

    and yeah I don’t see scratches on or in the drum, and brake sounds don’t come up if I am stopping from a high speed (if I am in 4th or 5th gear, no major noise)
     
  8. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

    Apr 6, 2008
    9,428
    southwest Germany, France ( Alsace ) and Thailand
    Full Name:
    romano schwabel
    thanks for the answers
    so remove the pads, clean the surface what touch the disc with sandpaper and break the edges
     
    Mrvaka likes this.
  9. ago car nut

    ago car nut F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Aug 29, 2008
    5,475
    Madison Ohio
    Full Name:
    David A.
    Caliper diameters have to mate with M/C diameters to work well! The factory engineers the system for a reason.
     
  10. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

    Apr 6, 2008
    9,428
    southwest Germany, France ( Alsace ) and Thailand
    Full Name:
    romano schwabel
    has nothing to do with the noise
     
  11. ago car nut

    ago car nut F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Aug 29, 2008
    5,475
    Madison Ohio
    Full Name:
    David A.
    I know that, was making statement on Caliper to M/C size.
     

Share This Page