Those getting a car - what are your spec thoughts? Colors?

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I saw this rendering on Instagram @mfcardesign with the black pieces in the body color. I thought it was simply sensational, a modern classic (I would still leave the black band on the front, as I like the homage to Daytona Plexiglass).
About the 12Cilindri, I think the design is perfect, the proportions, a beautiful work by Centro Stile. Bravo!
I understood the "delta" theme and what Manzoni wanted to convey in terms of visual effects.
But I don't agree with the obligation, imposition, of leaving the pieces in black.
The Ferrari V12 front line, made up of such a noble lineage (250 GTO, 275 GTB, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 550/575M, 599, F12, etc.) has never had a polarizing element imposed on customers, nor a "distribution of colors" that customers cannot opt for something monochromatic.
Front V12s have always been classic and modern (see, modernity and futuristic are not synonymous).
I repeat: I understood the full meaning of "delta" using the black pieces. But it is still a strong element, very futuristic, heavy and polarizing, and can interfere with those looking for a more classic effect in the car, which has always been something inherent in front V12s.
It must be remembered that the V12 front line is the most traditional and currently has one of the largest audience in the brand. There are buyers in their 20s, 40s, 70s and so on. And this very traditional line must seek good acceptance among its target audiences. Someone with more modern tastes might opt for a light color with black parts highlighting the "delta", diamond wheels. Another buyer may prefer a unit, for example, a Rosso Mugello, monochromatic (entirely in the same color), with gold wheels, giving it a more classic look.
IMHO, the best idea would be to leave it up to each customer to choose the "delta/black parts theme" or simply everything in the same color (more classic).
In fact, the LaFerrari was originally designed with a black roof, forming a single element with the engine cover, but it was possible to configure the roof in the color of the car.
Contrary to what was said in some post, I don't think that everything in the same color makes the design lose its meaning. The 12Cilindri is much more than this “delta/black parts” theme. It has very clean, organic lines, which combine classic with modern, and, IMO, these lines appear even more with the car in just one color.

 

is the rear wheel “continental tire” style hump that noticeable in person?

 

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Ah yes, I went back and you are correct:

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Cool rendering.

I don't think people would have a problem with the nose piece if they didn't mandate the back in black. That is my bigger issue. I don't mind the front. I can understand it. The rear is what I think makes the car look so strange. I really don't like it. But that's my opinion and I could get used to it. But I think it's the designer trying to force something that doesn't work.

 

Absolutely agree on everything you said.
Why imposing colors to customers ?
Don’t get it.

 

Even if they just let us body color the little winglets would be a major improvement. That would also help make the rear visually look less fat.

 

I am leaning toward a darker color for this one - Canna Di Fucile with a Bordeaux interior. Thinking coupe instead of spider. If there is a VS and if I am able to get one, definitely thinking Azzurro La Plata (and if we can color the black bits would do French tricolore stripe).

 

Thinking of ponying up the extra $ for Rossa Maranello and painted shields on my coupe, with beige traditione interior.

 

Also Rosso Fuoco is a possibility

 

I don’t really get the angst over the black pieces, especially on the coupe. The rear part on the spider is more problematic, it doesn’t really have a purpose because the delta wing idea is not there. Without the black parts the 12 Cilindri looks too ‘Roma’. I personally don’t want to pay all that money to have a car with an identity borrowed from the base V8 car. A heavily modernised Daytona-inspired car is much better. All these renders cancelling out the black just seem a bit petulant to me.

On the other hand, I instantly loved the 812 and never stopped. My first impression of the 12C was to be underwhelmed. After the replacement thread’s hundreds of pages and all the insiders who disliked the 812, SF90 etc saying this was a car for the ages with classic styling etc. Take away the edgy black bits and the car is a little boring. Very classical, quite Roma like, but personally, I want more than that from a new V12 Ferrari. And there is too much made of F12 > 812, Pininfarina > Manzoni, SF90 looks terrible etc. If this is what the naysayers think restores beauty back to Ferrari, in my mind it reinforces the fact that I just don’t agree about the 812, 296 and SF90 being the wrong direction for Ferrari and I don’t regret Ferrari moving away from Pininfarina. The 12 Cilindri does indeed hit many classic notes and that’s all good. But in doing so, it risks being just a little uninteresting and derivative. Take away some of its key design elements like the delta wing and it suddenly doesn’t look like a Ferrari V12 flagship anymore.

I’m warm to the car currently but there is a part of me that thinks is ‘warm’ enough? I love the picture below (we have a deposit in for a Spider) but no more than the 812 GTS which remains a beautiful car to my eyes. A perfect balance of aggression, style, aerodynamics, modernity and long-bonnet, low-slung V12 goodness. Once the 12 Cilindri has lost its ‘new’ appeal, after about 5 years and the F12, 812, 12C chapter is closing, I may well feel that the 812 was the pick of the bunch. I’m due to see the car at the factory next week so I will keep an open mind until then.

It would be interesting to know what Manzoni really thinks. He’s given us the LaFerrari, the 812 (and also the F12 which always prompts a robust discussion but it seems to be correct), the Monza, the SP3, the SF90. He has shown himself to be a diverse designer, capable of working with many themes, delivering some really interesting and thought-provoking designs yet still there is still a family look to many of the cars - PS, SF90, 296, Roma and now 12 C. That really is a very clever feat in my book and suits Ferrari - the pre-eminent world exotic car brand, nobody can accuse them of lacking courage. The return to a more classic styling theme for the 12C, was he pressured to do that or was it his thinking? One way of reading it could be that the idea of a last-of-the-line V12 meant that a classical theme was mandated and he just Manzoni-ised it. In some ways it is the least easy of his designs to understand. Is this the start of a new direction? Classic lines, edgy details. Maybe. I guess the F250 will tell us a lot.

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I agree - I cant get my head around moving from the GTS to the 12C - Especially when u put the two pics together. Really need to see it in person

 

Are you going for the car and if so, coupe or spider and, what are your thoughts on colours?

 

Undecided at this point. But if I did coupe and very much like like my mocked up images at this point. How about you?

 

I’m getting both and doing TM for both in early July. Think will go a blue for the coupe and green for the spider - undecided which shades though. Want Peccary for at least seat centres in both cars as that grips so well - they’re only available TM.

 

Thank you for your detailed and considered post. The only thing I would add is that Mazoni cars just don't photograph as well as Pininfarina cars did. Having said that, in real life they always are way more interesting and on the road they have way more presence. This was definitely true for both SF90 and Roma. Even the F8 Tributo was kinda ok in pictures but so taut and interesting in real life. Would love to hear you POV once you have seen the car.

 

Did they start the order yet?


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Coupes, officially yes it is open to place orders for the dealer online system.

For Spiders dealers are taking deposits now for their lists, but as of a few days ago the Spider was still not in their order system. Ferrari also wants a larger deposit now compared to prior models.

 

I like the roma blu on the spider, not sure what it REALLY, looks like. Also, this might be the perfect car for verde brittish, or blu arabian?

 

I'm surprised so many are considering the spider over the coupe. The coupe is much more interesting as far as design and integration. With the 812, the GTS was a no-brainer, but I struggle here with the 12C. I have an early allocation, and my dealer said there's a flurry of spider demand, but less for coupe. Seems to be the consensus on here as well. I'm very intrigued by the glass roof and how different that is. Having an 812GTS, maybe I won't miss out on the open top experience. The fact that the engine volume is of focus in the cabin is reassuring to me for the coupe, and the metal over the roof/delta wing area is beautiful to look at.

 

As far as spec, I may revisit Rosso Maranello, as I'm just not sure there's a better red. Other thoughts are verde pino or jewel, and blu torrice.

 

If you do not like the Manzoni design then a black color would probably solve all aesthetic complaints.

If you do like the Mazoni design then a white or silver color may look best to your eye, due to the contrast.

 

Interesting. Not for me surprising. The coupe visual is way more polarizing I think with the rear. The spider horizontal is a bit more traditional but overt with the black. And I agree I never would have selected a spider or gta over coupe in all prior iterations. Why I have 812 SF and not gts though if take gts over either of these any day now.

 

I just meant the GTS was a no-brainer because it was not markedly different than the SF. Definitely polarizing with the 12C, but also very unique and interesting.