1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Spider Conversion on BAT?

Anyone have any background info on this 1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Spider Conversion on BAT?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-ferrari-365-gtb-4-daytona-coupe-19/

 

I assume it is a Straman cut. Opinions differ. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than a coupe.

 

We'll see if Colleen Sheehan is able to provide any insight into the car being done by Richard or her father.

A conversion won't garner even a third of the prices asked for one of the ~121 authentic Spiders. I can however see it selling for a similar price to a good condition 365 GTB/4. Not many Daytonas have been sold on BaT - several RNA - the last listed/sold was in August 2023. It was a nice refurbished example selling for $650k.

 

Poor car, regardless of mutilator.

 

I cannot personally see paying anything. Car is destroyed.

I didn't care a lot for the integrity of the originals but at least they were original.

 

IMO, not necessarily “destroyed” but will require extensive reconstructive surgery along with significant amount of other restorative efforts to make her integrity whole again.
All said and properly done, likely a few hundred grand endeavor.

 

True.

 

Its funny how much originals are worth. My dealer did a dealer trade to get rid of ours. We gladly took a coupe in exchange. It went to L.A.. All you need to know about the difference in demographics between Northern and Southern California in the 70's.

 

Algar had an original that wasn't sold until 1976.

 

Colleen Sheehan's reply on this car (below) at least confirmed it wasn't by European Auto but they did offer it for sale when it was Miami Vice black / tan:

Fynmere Your correct, my dad did almost as many Daytona Spyder conversions as Straman, along with a Boxer Targa conversion for Clint Eastwood and many other conversions.

This Daytona was not one of my dads conversions, however he did have this car for sale in 1993 when it was already converted and was black over tan.

There are over 100 Daytona Spyder conversions, some done by small shops throughout the globe. Below is the history I have on this car.

S/N 14077. Identified as 365 GTB/4. Destinazione Chinetti, USA. Assembly sequence no. 394, body no. 401. Fitted with a/c.

Delivered originally to Luigi Chinetti Motors, Greenwich, CT/USA. Listed on Ferrari Circolare Tecnica No. 174.

Offered 1974 W. S. Reed, Mountain View, CA/USA. New dark red lacquer with tan interior, red carpets. Air and 8-track stereo. 12,000 miles. (FCA Apr 1974).

Listed in 1975 FOCUSA roster(s) by Donald J. Spillane, Concord, CA/USA.

1976 offered Ferrari of Los Gatos, Los Gatos, CA/USA. Burgundy with saddle interior. (AutoWeek 27 Mar 1976)

1980 offered by James A. Reed, Tiburon, CA/USA. Completely rebuilt engine, transaxle and brakes by Gerry Benevedes; full bodywork and flame red paint by Ric Donofrio. (FML 0501).

SPYDER CONVERSION offered 1993 Vintage Motor Car CO/USA., Encinitas, CA/USA. Black with tan interior. (FML 1807).

1993, 25 April-22 May, For sale in FML by European Auto Sales, Black with tan interior. $180,000.​

 

Wasn't the very last one delivered to a collector in California without asking?

 

I don’t necessarily hold those who carried out these Frankenstein mutilations responsible for them, as most were likely just doing a job(s) which otherwise would’ve gone to some other identity reassignment “surgeon”.

OTOH, as indicated earlier, like all those Cal Spyder, GTO, SWB, etc rebody conversions, I do feel sorry for the subjects of these exercises and hope that someday many/most will be made whole again, but won’t be holding my breath.

I’ve also always found it extremely disingenuous whenever I see the genuine models being referenced in marketing attempts trying to legitimize any and all fakes, but that’s used car sales, so I guess it can or should be expected.

 

Thats a little like saying we won't hold Himmler responsible because if not him Hitler would have found someone else to kill Jews.

 

I believe this ^^ is overly extreme & unfair comparison as such view would suggest any & all atrocities or genocides committed throughout the history by any and all individuals, groups or societies, including ours, could be excused/whitewashed with it.
OTOH, if that's how one chooses to think, oh well ...

 

I believe the last one s/n 17073 went to Greg Garrison.

 

Gentleman please…back to the car?

 

IMO a cut Daytona is worth less than a proper Berlinetta.

 

Thank you. I couldn't remember his name. Gerald Rouse told me that story.

 

i heard that when Greg Garrison took his cars for a short drive, he had it placed on blocks and the miles unwound.

 

I remember local dealer had one that was wholesaled thru TS years ago. It was cheap .. 200 ish.. a goal would be to put back to orig. , but never panned out


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Fortunately in recent years several cut Daytonas have been re-constructed and restored back to original Berlinetta configuration. Some people have finally come to their senses. But the chop job will always remain part of a car's history. Like a massive tattoo that you regret but can never really wipe out for the rest of your life.

Marcel Massini

 

Have you seen any of these re-capitations and looked at the quality of the work seeing how successful they are, or not?

 

There is no question that in the restoration industry there is the talent to do it. We have seen far more complex repairs made to extraordinary standard. When the cuts were made people of the same caliber were never used as price was a big issue. Considering the level of coachwork quality of the original cars I have little doubt a higher quality finished product is available now than an original coupe. You just have to be willing to pay for it but as pointed out by Marcel, it will always have some level of stigma.

 

Yes.
Carrozzeria Egidio Brandoli & C. in Montale near Modena, did several.
Results are excellent. After all, Mr Brandoli Sr., built these original Berlinettas with his own hands 55 years ago.

Marcel Massini

 

Of course, I had no doubt about the ex Scaglietti Brandolis' work. As Brian has said, the talent is out there, but finding it outside of, and far from Maranello is a different matter I would say though.

If Carrozzeria Brandoli or Bacchelli and Villa did the work I would be happy, and it would go a long way to removing the stigma and would again make the car authentic.

How much would Brandoli charge?