1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4 by Scaglietti at RM Sotheby's

My 330GTC was certified on first pass with an ANSA system. And it had three correct and one incorrect spinner….as delivered from Chinetti to Algar. I hadn't even noticed until Al Roberts called it to my attention.

 

Evidently after 10787 they quit doing that.

 

They have far better knowledge and records for the new ones but they really want to find a way to get the early cars there so they can make real money.
Not always pretty what comes out the other side.

 

By their own terminology they are insuring the car meets original specifications. In your case they seem to have concluded the basic fee was all they were prying out of you. I know I have supplied many pictures of the inner and outer side of wheels. I guess they are less concerned with what is used to hold them on.

Don't know if you noticed but the 4 cam in question had an early 2 cam alloy spare wheel.

 

I’m not sure what you mean. The Algar salesman who picked up the car from Chinetti confirmed to me and to the inspecting dealer that the odd spinner was present at delivery.

(Whoa. I see the ads are stacking up now [below] )

 

Ever heard the description of a good salesman? If he has a mule and you want a horse he will either try and convince you what you really need is a mule or what he has is really a horse.

We got our TR at Algar. Somewhat later I suspect.

 

What has always amused me was in the old days when we got build sheets many times there were far more blank spaces than filled in spaces. Now that they have figured out how to really monetize that information they can tell you what brand, size and number of cotter pins they used.

 

What is your point? That the car should not have been certified because it had a part that was incorrect (but easily replaced with a “correct” one) but on the car when delivered? I wasn’t “sold” anything.

 

yes as this is an alloy bodied 275 gtb/4

ciao
Oscar

 

No, 10427 is steel bodied. 275 GTB/4 09413 in the upcoming sealed auction is alloy bodied, which does have the longer rain gutter.

 

Alloy 275s(2 and 4cam) have the long gutter and the roof seam(a few exceptions, alloy w short gutter). I believe that 2cam and 4cam body work details are consistent steel to alloy.

 

Alloy exceptions with short rain gutter are Comp Speciale 275 GTBs 06701 and 06885 plus the Short Nose Clienti Competizione 275 GTBs.

 

Uh it was a joke? I had no clue you were talking about it being certified. If you bother to reread it you left that tid bit out.

Whats your problem? Dial back the caffeine. Jesus Christ.

 

I clearly said in post 27, which I assume you read since you replied to it, that it was about it being certified. Why be uncivil about such a trivial matter?

 

I guess the bottom line is the red book has nothing to do with concours ready. Buyer beware.

 

Of course not.
But that is well known by now.
It is nothing else than a piece to wipe the dust off while rotting on the shelf.
It may give some of the younger inexperienced generation a certain "comfort" when buying a car. If it comes without red book, then it is no good.........and that's exactly the niche where the factory jumps into, aka money machine, since 2006.
This has already discussed a number of times on fchat.

Marcel Massini

 

oew, strange as I was sure I clicked the link and read alloy bodied 275. But you are right. This one is steel..

ciao
Oscar

 

... or being "concours ready" doesn't mean it's authentic, correct or anywhere near either, but may still get awarded "Platinum".

 

Concour awards, Classiche Certification and "original, as built", rarely meet at the same point.

 

The certification inspection, for a GT car anyway, verifies that the components on the build sheet and the components on the car match and there is no outstanding modification or damage. In reality, if you have a build sheet on hand, a vintage Ferrari shop can provide the same verification as Ferrari Classiche, but instantly and for a fraction of the cost.

john

 

getting the different “sheets” is the key.

 

John: For pre-1970 cars, the certification gets heavily into body shape and trim pieces, as well as interior components and gauges, plus engine ancillaries. None of which the factory has good records. They usually rely on period photos from outside sources and sometimes even of other cars that may or may not be similar.

 

Very diplomatic phrasing.

Marcel Massini

 

But the red book in many cases exists solely for the purpose of buying entree into factory events. Also in some cases to buy favored client status.

Its a money grab without question but so are a whole host of other things people spend money on. Extended warranties are one example. No one is using a gun to get the check.
Ferrari is selling a product, you can buy it or not. I have never understood the emotional distress it causes some.

 

I think Porsche's approach is more honest. This is what this car had when it left the factory.