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355 misfire and stuck valve

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  1. cwesner

    cwesner Rookie

    Aug 26, 2021
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    Neenah, WI
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    corey wesner
    Please give me your thoughts. I have a 1997 355 manual which has run smooth. I had a bad cat on one side. Tube style exhaust and original headers which are good. I was cruising on the highway running smooth and at the exit downshifted and noticed a misfire at the light. I turned around and got back on the highway and I could tell it was misfiring. I took it in to have new cats put on that arrived but the misfire wasn't addressed so I took it home thinking the ECU might reset. I didn't so back it went and I had the injectors cleaned, which helped but a compression test showed no compression in that cylinder. the other cylinders were at 180. a scope was used which showed that a valve was open with carbon buildup, preventing it from closing. The shop recommended walnut blasting which I was unaware of. Any thoughts or ideas would be helpful!
     
  2. jjtjr

    jjtjr Formula Junior

    Aug 29, 2016
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    Yes, walnut blasting is effective in removing carbon without causing damage to the alloys. It is just important to be sure to do it in a way that insures that all of the media is removed.
     
  3. cwesner

    cwesner Rookie

    Aug 26, 2021
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    can it still be done with an open valve?
     
  4. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    I would want to see if all of the valves are carboned up or just that cylinder. I don't think these cars are known for that issue unless there's something else going on, like worn valve guides, bad injector or something else letting oil into the combustion chamber or making the mixture go wonky.

    Here's a decent video of the process. One of the reasons they use walnut shells is it won't do damage if it doesn't all get removed, unlike sand or similar, but the whole process occurs with vacuum suction going on to pull the media and debris out. This is a very common issue on earlier direct injection engines that didn't have secondary wet injectors to wash the valves.

     
  5. cwesner

    cwesner Rookie

    Aug 26, 2021
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    thanks for the info. the injector was definitely bad to that cylinder and it did help smooth the idle a bit after having them sent out for cleaning. Seems weird it was fine until I downshifted which maybe dislodged some carbon?
     
  6. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    You could try carbon cleaning if you are lucky. Usually, zero compression means the valve has burnt out due to carbon deposit keeping the face of the valve from contacting the head to dissipate the heat into the head.
     
  7. cwesner

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    Aug 26, 2021
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    yes I think that is going to be the first step. Yelcap do you mean chemically or with the walnut blasting. https://a.co/d/0bZL6rjg There is a GM product to clean the cylinders of the carbon chemically before the walnut blasting. Im trying to avoid dropping the engine. there is only so much summer with the top down...this is killing me.
     
  8. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    You can do the actual blasting with the engine in the car. Access to the intake valves is from the top and that is easy enough to get to. Access to the exhaust valve is from the side or the bottom after you remove the headers and that is a job in itself.

    It's been my experience that the exhaust valves have more problem. Did the shop confirm what valve is having problem? Perhaps just do that cylinder.
     
  9. cwesner

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  10. Targatime

    Targatime Formula 3

    Feb 22, 2014
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    That carbon buildup is being caused by something. Step one is figuring out what is causing it.
     
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  11. cwesner

    cwesner Rookie

    Aug 26, 2021
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    corey wesner
    had engine out service 3000 miles ago 2 years ago and just had injectors sent out to be cleaned. Yeah thats the question!
     
  12. Targatime

    Targatime Formula 3

    Feb 22, 2014
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    No idea what's wrong, but based on the pic it's a lot of buildup, and it appears oily. I assume the pic is taken from inside the cylinder and we're looking up at the faces of the valves? Walnut shell blasting is for the back side of the valves, not inside the combustion chamber. I suspect you're going to be taking the heads off.
     
  13. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    I think you need a valve job.
     

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