Negative response to the 12 cilindri design

What is a glossy dark red ? Magma?

 

I believe he is referring to a range of glossy dark reds offered by Ferrari, not anything specific. I would classify magma as one of them.

 

Yes. Alpenglow is by him.



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OK, so had reservations from the pics but reserved my decision until I saw the car which I did yesterday. My decision remains that its not for me. It didnt give me a "warm and fuzzy" when I saw it and wow its wide !!!!. Also all the digital sh#t was frankly annoying and over the top. I will sit this one out and go elsewhere for now and keep the GTS. Good luck to those who get the car and hope it delivers on yr expectations.

 

Thanks for your honesty…when you say wide lot more than 812 thanks!

 

I've heard it's wide, and the screens are probably my biggest worry. I prefer tactile touch for AC controls etc, so not sure how I'm going to feel about the screens. I am however patiently waiting on a chance to see the beast in the flesh myself.

 

Its apporox 8" (20cm) wider that the 812. I have already screwed up the rims on my Taycan (which is about is about the width of the 812) multiple times and this is way wider. I will revisit it when I can see the Spyder as maybe in person with different colours I will "cave" and put funds aside for fixing the rims

 

Asked and answered before. It 's not 20 cm wider than the 812; they have a few millimetres of difference. The crux of the matter is that Ferrari states the width of the 812 without the mirrors, whereas the 12 Cilindri with the mirrors.

 

I’ve asked Marc about the width and he didn’t think it was that much wider than the 812.

 

I’m always telling my wife be careful with them wheels ,,, now she’s going to hear it more lol thanks

 

Ferrari screwed up by releasing an ambiguous width measurement. I wonder how many people are still confused by that misleading information.

 

If only that were their only screw-up

 

The 812 is still 36mm narrower than the 12C like for like

 

Maybe so, but 1.42” is much different than 8”.

 

I posted this previously, but the FMVSS state that 80" wide is the max width for a passenger car. Any wider and it requires extra running lamps ala trucks. I seriously doubt Ferrari would release a car wider than 80".

 

I am not convinced its only 1.42" wider - but will accept that until its proven or confirmed by Ferrari. i just repeated published figures (both by Ferrari) and on seeing the car it appears way wider. If Ferrari are inconsistent with their figures that raises other ethical question's in general. Width aside its still not for me though.

 

Understood. Of course, the eye can often be fooled. My wife is looking for a new SUV. She thinks the Denali/Escalade is a total bus, but interestingly enough, almost all the SUV’s in the “premium” segment are about the same size even the ones that appear to be significantly smaller, at least to my eye (MB and BMW).


Denali - 210 x 81 x 77
Escalade - 212 x 81 x 77
Range Rover - 199 x 81 x 74
BMW X7 - 204 x 79 x 72
Mercedes Benz GLS - 206 x 80 x 70

 

and, don't forget, Ferrari sometimes messed up..remember, the California with the brake lights in the trunk lid

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/heres-hilarious-story-ferrari-californias-brake-lights-261795

who knows...until cars start arriving at dealers...

 

It 's not illegal, or even unethical, to quote different measurements (just like dry vs wet weight), but it can be misleading and thus it is a bad practice. Most manufacturers state whether the width includes or not the mirrors. Ferrari's press office didn't bother to... But the difference is that small (1.42'').

 

Let's include a design element that we know will be divisive, then impose it on everyone with righteous indignance.

 

I will preface this by saying that I really like all those cars.

However, there is a shared design element at the rear of the SF90, J50 and 12C that I don't love. It works better on the SF90 and J50 because it looks more organic, whereas the use of black flaps to complete the graphic on the 12C looks contrived to me. But personally, I wish they'd gone with something less edgy. New isn't always better.

That Alpenglow design is epic, however. I'm glad it's not a Ferrari, but it's beautiful and very cohesive. Maybe he needed a little more freedom.

 

My 812 barely fits in my parking space and is tight in normal traffic lanes. It’s sublime otherwise.

 

None of these cars really float my boat aside from maybe the SF90xx as a hardcore race car theme. Everything else just looks too busy for my liking, but I give Marc a pass because he’s a 355 owner and ironically, it’s his favorite Ferrari design .

For 12C, he was given parameters. Daytona throwback and must look much different from front V12’s of the last 3 decades. This, I think he achieved.

I’m not sold on the 12C. Some angles I like, some I don’t, but the angles I don’t like make up a good percentage of the car. Perhaps, I have to see it in person, but the car in general looks weird to me. From the rear, straight on, it looks badass.

I didn’t like the SP3 or812 Competizione from pics and felt the same when I saw them in person. I guess I’m more of an “art in simplicity” type of person who has more appreciation for subtle details as opposed to being overwhelmed with in-your-face details.

 

I’m interested to see it in person. I’m not impressed with the pics.

 

car looks great in the you tube videos leaving factory

the v12 is epic revs to 9500 rpm