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458 Sport Mode engages traction control on highway, no slip

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  1. eurocg

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    Hey everyone,

    I have a 2013 458 Spider and if I try and use “Sport Mode” and only Sport Mode, as soon as I tip into the throttle at highway speeds it triggers the traction control to jump in, cutting throttle.

    I do have HRE(s) in the attached sizes, but the rotational delta from factory is now +1 extra rotation per mile.

    Is there some sensor or thing I should be looking at?

    Wet Mode - Perfect
    Race Mode - Perfect
    CT Off - Perfect
    ESC Off - Perfect

    Only Sport Mode has this weird issue

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  2. FatherandSon458

    Nov 5, 2023
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    Good day I have the same issue on our Rebuild. We do have Ferrari 488 rims/tires on it so it might be the issue also. Did you ever solve this?
    Sure cuts out the engine but seems only in 7th gear

    thanks let me know if u can
     
  3. mikey64

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    I guess I can try to do a little test to replicate it next week. I have 245/35/20 and 305/35/20 on OEM stock rims for my 2013 Italia. I’ve done a track day and wet weather driving already with no issues, can’t recall if I tried sport mode at all or not in the short time the tires have been on the car.
    I normally drive in race mode, manual shift.
     
  4. eurocg

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    So I got within .1 rotation difference from front to back compared to the stock setup and "Sport" works up to about 80mph. Cruising around town, everything is fine, as soon as you are going down the highway at 80+ and tip in, it flashes.

    I am currently running:

    255/35/20 Fronts
    325/25/21 Rears

    I rub in the front with 1.7 degree negative camber at full compression going straight, front edge of the fender lip kisses. I am going to try an put a bit more camber in it (need longer studs for the shims) and have my body guy roll the fender a bit if need be.

    As a side note, I swapped my springs again from Novitec as they were to low even at full height adjustment. I went with 50lb more spring rate and 1" taller than them. Now have a bit more wheel gap (doesn't look as god) but havent hit my rear diffuser on ****ty New England Roads since the adjustment. Still a decent amount lower than factory.
     
  5. eurocg

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    Also to the earlier poster, my "normal" driving mode is TC Off, Manual mode. Only mode affected is "Sport". Wet, Race, TC Off, and of corse ESC Off, all work fine.

    Sport must have a really tight tolerance on wheel slip. Remember, Race allows wheel spin unless the back starts to rotate, so going straight you can do burnouts in Race, wheel slip not an issue. TC Off, allows 30% or so for slip angle (someone can fact check me on exact amount) but it only intervenes when the car gets a decent angle, I power slide mine around like a 16 yo with a mustang, 9 times out of 10, never kicks in, when i get really frisky i will feel it kick me back into line. Wet expects some wheel slip, so probably within tolerance on a dry road as it doesn't slip "enough"
     
  6. 05F430F1

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    Ferrari is pretty good at mounting wheels and tires and setting up suspension with all correct and optimal specs so fenders don’t get rubbed and bent and twisted and the car drives really really well and there aren’t any warnings and problems. You should try using their setup. They’ve been doing it for years and I hear good things. Solid company.


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  7. eurocg

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    If you are happy with the out of the box configuration, that is wonderful.

    However those seeking advice and information on how they can tailor their experience is just as valid.

    Ferrari has to make concessions to appeal to the masses, this is evidence in their own testing. For example, a 458 during any type of review / test always are much lower than how they arrive to the customer. This is because the aero is most optimal when the vehicle is lower, allowing for better lap times, the car delivered to the customer is compromised not optimized. (This is just one example, there are many more)

    I hope to see more and more people modifying and finding the limits, so we can all benefit from a healthy aftermarket versus being stuck with Ferrari only solutions.
     
  8. todd cloud

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    no
     
  9. mikey64

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    245/35/20 and 305/30/20 are not the OEM sizes for your car. That is Speciale. 235/35/20 and 295/35/20 are the regular size. Note a 6% diameter and circumference difference front to rear. Your tire selection is only 1.5% difference front to rear. That could definitely be enough for the computer to now think the rear is slipping as it normally expects slower relative rotation in the rear.

    My theory is that the calibration is ok with more slip up to a point. After-all, fastest launch usually occurs with around 10% tire slip.
    But at 80mph there isn’t any expectation of slip so the calibration tolerance is likely quite tight by this point.

    Try a tire combo that gets you back closer to 6% larger circumference in the rear.

    I verified my car has no issues with 245/35/20 and 305/35/20 instead of the original 235/35/20 and 295/35/20.
     
  10. shawdut

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    I'm having the same issue: traction control cutting in and out; only in Sport mode, only in 7th gear and only at constant speed. This started when I installed new tires that are the Speciale size - 245/35/20 and 305/30/20. Seems like there is no issue with 305/35/20 at the rear.

    Is there any way to rectify the problem without changing tires? Can the system be recalibrated?
     
  11. eurocg

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    I got mine to be less annoying around town by going to a 255 front on my setup. I am now just slightly out of original spec w/ 255 front and 325 rear. It does it now at 80 or so on the highway cruising.
     
  12. FatherandSon458

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    So with the 488 rims on my 458
    Will front 245/35r20 and rear 305/35r20 give me any issues with traction control in 7th gear over 80mph?
    Hate to buy wrong tires and have issues
    Currently have
    Front 245/35r20
    Red 305/30r20 and have issues with traction control in 7th gear at higher speeds
     
  13. eurocg

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    If you go outside the OE spec, you may have issues in Sport. If you drive in Race or CT off. No issues. I actually drive mine in CT off 99% of the time. I only discovered the Sport issue when my girl took it out.
     
  14. FatherandSon458

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    The car we r rebuilding came with the 488 rims so we hope we can figure things out to keep them and keep computers happy
     
  15. mikey64

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    245/35/20 paired with 305/35/20 works fine on my ‘13 Italia.
     
  16. FatherandSon458

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    Sounds good looks like a few folks have this setup with tire size with no issues
    Thx that’s what we will go with.
     

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