Considering that the Revuelto is in production under the same sound rules , I think that ther’s no way that the 12 cilindri will sound quieter , reveuelto has a very nice sound, so finger crossed also for the 12 cilindri !
Couple of random thoughts- I think the Lamborghini engine uses port injection instead of direct injection in the Ferrari, this somehow allows them to bypass the requirement for the particulate filter (GPF). (Im basing this on how their engines were in the past, perhaps the new car uses GDI and requires the GPF) The TDF exhaust sound is better* than the Comp. This is a purely subjective thing, allow me to elaborate. I would rate engine sound in the cabin from both cars as about equal. They both make a wonderful chainsaw type sound you get with the NAV12. The TDF always sounds clear and the pitch changes rapidly with revs and when the valves open its properly loud. It actually surprised me how loud it is for a stock system. Its glorious. By comparison, at lower RPM, at lower throttle openings, the Comp is more quiet and it sounds like it’s further away. The sound also has a bit of a lower pitch on startup and through the first part of the rev range. I dont think the lower pitch is worse or better, it’s just different. BUT, once you are past about 4500 on the tach, and about ⅔+ on the throttle, somehow, subjectively speaking, they managed to get the sound to be completely enthralling and, I would say it seems to me its as loud as the TDF. You have to be ON IT, and it cant be free revving the engine in the parking lot (not really recommended anyway). So, I would go so far as to say while the cars would be better without the GPF, the GPF did not kill the exhaust sound, it definitely hurts it by comparison a little at lower revs and lower throttle openings, but, another point of view is you can drive around enjoying the engine without startling/ disturbing anyone. I see it as a case of pros and cons and not only negatives. I think the setup is really nice, but, ideally, one would also have a TDF in the garage for those moments when you wanted the “my stereo goes to 11” experience. We should all be so lucky to have such problems. I would not call the exhaust note of the Comp in any way a disappointment or a negative. The new car has to adhere to stricter noise regulations, which is a bummer for us. But we will see how they tackle this, I don’t think they will disappoint, especially when you are in the cabin and driving with the appropriate gusto. JMHO Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
That 's because the noise levels are measured at certain RPM and the mandated levels decrease constantly.
does not matter Ferrari makes one build for the world, lowest common denominator prevails... USA is not in EU but we get the same EU exhaust setup here
New EU "noise regulations" were not in effect for the 812C, those new regulations will make the cilindri much quieter on the outside, and the 812C is not great in its sounds, it is missing any higher frequencies over (about) 5500rpm because they are lost in the GPF...thus, over 5500pm the 812C is just louder, without the higher pitches from the higher RPMs...
Audi, Porsche, VW (err, Lamborghini) make different exhausts for different counties, Ferrari makes one exhaust for entire world...
I would add one architectural bonus for the TdF. I put a valve controller on my TdF, and now I can keep all valves open whenever I want. It sounds unbelievably fantastic with all the open valves. It is switchable while driving using a small remote that I have on the keychain. It has the advantage of that generation of V12s....no GPF. This goes all the way up through the 2019 812 SF. The LaF, TdF, and 599GTO are the unique and limited cars from this fantastic decade of 2010-2019. This also includes the 2018-2019 812 SF as the GT. These will be the peak NA V12s that will stand out with sound. @JTSE30 first raised the GPF issue years ago. Unfortunately, he was 100% right.
But the rules came into effect 2019 onwards so technically the 812C should meet the requirements. What gives?
Image Unavailable, Please Login because the noise regulations are phased in, cilindri is under 'phase 3' ..remember 'new vehicle type' specifically refers to first customer delivery in an EU country, and unless Ferrari somehow managed to get first customer deliveries before July 1 2024, definitely phase 3
Yes you can make it louder with the valve controller, but I don't put the valve controller on these cars because they dont have the same throttle feel at lower RPM with the valves open. They feel pretty soft. I think you need to do an ECU remap if you want to play with the exhaust. I say just put your foot into it JMHO
wouldn’t put it past them .. if they managed to sneak in a few cars to some “customers” in Italy just to beat the deadline
Ferrari just don’t know exhaust notes. They’re just not that good. Sound meh the majority of the time. The biggest problem is that the only way to make the exhaust sound decent is through volume. Regrettably, that muffles out the best part of the V12: it’s the engine, not the exhaust. Induction harmonics is where it’s at. And the rev range where the volume now makes the exhaust sound decent is the where the organ blends with the choir & the angels start singing. The best part of running at Daytona is it’s windows up so you hear the engine better. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I suspect those cars have a track-only mode where the driver needs to acknowledge a warning message before it’s engaged. My P1 and Senna do that whenever I select race mode since the car drops to a height that is presumably illegal on public roads.
the clips I've heard of the 12Cilindri sound pretty good. jury is still out though. What is most important is how it sounds to me in the driver's seat. If they have reword the hot tube to get more sound in the cabin, that'll be great. Nothing beats an 812SF/GTS with a Novitec setup anyway. I haven't pulled the trigger for one yet on the GTS, but once I get towards the end of warranty....
