Odd…in your pictures it looks metallic, in the smaller picture earlier, it looks flat. Either way, I likey.
@of2worlds Absolutely false. Once the SF90 was revealed 812SF order queue was destroyed, fewer 812SF in the USA than F12s (and this was before 812GTS reveal).
Even if that’s the case … I don’t think that would happen going forward. I think when the SF90 was introduced it was pitched as the new top level flagship and that made 812 buyers question whether they should direct their purchases at the 812 because the 1/3 price LaFerrari was to be the new king in town and that would make the 812 less than. Now though, after the SF90 is more familiar, and even though it is technically top of the stack, we can see that it does not compete directly with the front engined 12 cylinder line. What I’m saying is now that everybody knows better, the SF90 replacement will not suck buyers away from the 12C or its successor. They are different cars for different driving experiences and while there may be some buyer overlap, they are for two different types of buyers
For the 458 we had the front “mustache “ For the F12 we had the “uterus “ rear For the 12C it’s the “eyelids”️️rear Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I actually had a minivan with a similar color although did not flop like that and was, of course, an inferior version. However, it was a color I really liked but then got bored of pretty quickly. This color reminds me a lot of it.
Ironically the new ridiculous paint prices make me think I'd either get a free color or go all out for a 4 layer, you're getting scammed anyway so might as well.
Well the Enzo era V12 buyer should not be confused with the LdM era V12 buyer. For the most part they don't mix. There were political challenges that skewed those V12 allocations and that in turn hurt the market; no question. Getting in and then out again while the demand was at a fever pitch was key to enjoying a 'free' ride. The V12 car quickly became yesterday's news when a new class of Ferrari burst on the scene full of promise. For some it is simply about keeping a few orders in the pipeline to insure an early build. There is no particular loyalty to any version but rather chasing the 'next one' again and again. The more typical Ferrari buyer gets another one at eighteen months. Too much emphasis is being put on one particular car because soon it will be replaced by another Ferrari.
There are an awful lot of SF90’s for sale in the U.S. and Canada, so maybe that new class of Ferrari that burst on the scene full of promise has been somewhat of a bust? I am definitely getting older at age 57, but I never had any interest in the SF90 (or honestly 296), but hope to keep our 812SF forever. I’ve also been considering a tdf and/or gated manual 575 SA as the next addition to the stable. Not too many of those around compared to the flood of SF90’s, so maybe I’m not alone in my interests. Honestly hoping for an economic downturn to shake some inventory onto the market.
When we buy a Ferrari what we acquire is a dream and not just a high-performance car. This dream begins precisely when we contemplate a Ferrari, its design and curves, exactly as if it were a very beautiful woman. That's why there are some models that make our hearts race faster and fall in love instantly. But the dream has to continue when you start the engine, because you expect something unique in terms of sound. The dream won't be complete if when you drive a Ferrari you don't feel a special emotion that could even be butterflies on the stomach. The Ferrari dream has to be the symbiosis of all of this. What's the point of having great power and acceleration if the sound is mediocre, the design is uninteresting and the driving experience is less exciting? What's the point of having a unique sound and engine if the curves and design don't appeal to you? The Ferraris of this latest new fashion Manzoni are certainly the dream of many buyers, which I completely respect. But unfortunately they are neither my dream nor that of a few others like me.
The factory would continue to bend body panels by eye with wooden hammers, produce a maximum of three thousand cars a year, there would be no turbo engines, no batteries, no V6, and under such conditions, Ferrari would be on the verge of bankruptcy in 2025. Amen!
I prefer to imagine that it's humour... because if there's one who saved Ferrari it's him...and I think it won't be long before we have a good laugh !
You must not be serious? Ferrari would be less profitable under LdM. But that's not necessarily a bad thing from the perspective of Ferrari's customers. I doubt the company would be at any risk. It was plenty profitable before Marchionne got involved.
You speak for yourself, not everyone thinks and buys cars like this. For many its the experience and the performance. Looks are subjective anyway...
Very well said! This is exactly how I feel. Unfortunately, there are no more great sounding (and perhaps looking) Ferraris. The new generation buyers are unaware how a high revving, NA V12 with no coffee can GPF exceeds the sound of what is being sold today. Some cars don't need to rely on interior sound amplifiers to garner emotion. Also true about those curves. Could not have said it better. I would add that flat panel displays have no place in these cars that are to be timeless.
Yes yes yes. You get it for sure. I lament the changes w the new vehicle though am glad is v12 at least. Interior sound automated sound is up there with silly exterior noise makers.
These are the facts: Luca Di Montezemolo joined Ferrari, part of the conglomerate Fiat S.p.A., in 1973 to work closely with Enzo Ferrari. Montezemolo would soon become manager of Scuderia Ferrari and there was no job more important within the company. By 1975, with Montezemolo running the team, Ferrari was again at the top of Formula 1, winning World Championship in 1975 and 1977. Sales of road-going Ferraris began to rise, which supported the racing effort. With Enzo passing in 1988, the company began a slow decline therefore Fiat chairman Gianni Agnelli responded and appointed Montezemolo president and chairman of Ferrari in 1991. Under his guidance, new technologies developed on the track led to stunning new road cars while powering Ferrari to eight Formula 1 Constructor’s World Championships between 1999 and 2008. The start of development of the F12 TDF was Luca Di Montezemolo's last milestone before leaving Ferrari in October 2014.
The moaning on this forum has reached epic proportions. Nobody need criticise. Only needs one thing - don’t buy the cars. If enough people think as you do, Ferrari will make a change. But most likely, they continue to sell well being still the very best at what they do. I’m British and won’t buy another McLaren or Aston Martin and have had multiples of both. Good cars, just not great ones in my book. Many don’t agree with me and if they buy their cars, both will continue as they are. I don’t feel the need to keep droning on and on about the same views, over and over. Just say it a few times then don’t buy the cars!! How simple can it be? Threads get so polluted with this nonsense it deters normal conversation. Can we all agree that the flaps are terrible? No, we can’t. Deal with it. Starting to sound like a trades union conversation. This is all supposed to be fun?! The pictures showing the Trevi car on the last page show this to be a very beautiful Ferrari. No, we don’t all agree. But then we knew that around 200 pages ago. This is now such a no-hope thread when it used to be pretty fun and interesting. I visit it far less now. Probably better that way. But just for the record, I would far far far rather have this car than an F12. I might even rather have it than an 812. I think it will be seen as the prettiest of the three when they are all old.
The best reason is that it perfectly embodies a modern 250GTO. It's a pity that ellen was never hired in her time by private teams in the WEC...
