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  1. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

    Oct 1, 2004
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    Made to order...full analog controls too!

    https://www.carscoops.com/2024/08/nilu27s-new-hypercar-combines-racy-looks-with-more-than-1000-hp/

    Power is provided by a naturally aspirated 6.5-liter V12 from Hartley Engines. It purportedly produces 1,070 hp (798 kW / 1,085 PS) and 634 lb-ft (860 Nm) of torque, although the press release only mentioned an output in excess of 1,000 hp (746 kW / 1,014 PS).

    Questionable numbers and communication aside, the engine is connected to a seven-speed manual transmission. The company strangely listed the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) time as “driver-dependent,” but claimed the car will be able to hit a limited top speed of 249 mph (400 km/h).
     
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  2. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

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    It seems to me that the V6 already exists without hybridization and without additional development costs
     
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  3. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

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    We can see things differently.
    When you are solicited in the dealership presentations or in the letters by the marketing department, all say that you want it and you may get it !!!
     
  4. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

    Jun 25, 2006
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    In terms of the quality of the interiors, you are closer to Boss than Hermes.
    And you're even very far from the new Aston Martin interiors...
     
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  5. Forza Scuderia

    Forza Scuderia Formula Junior

    Jan 13, 2015
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    I think the Ferrari interiors are pretty good actually, at least compared to McClaren and Lamborghini. I agree that Aston is overtaking them and that Ferrari should begin to offer some higher lux interior materials and options and that would only help the size of the TM tickets and profit margins
     
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  6. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

    Feb 16, 2011
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    There is a reason that the first Dino was not officially a Ferrari. Ferrari was never about small and "slow" cars.


    Nope, the 296 has a proper reverse gears, as the electric motor feeds power to the gearbox. The SF90 uses the set up you mentioned, as its front motors can reverse independently of the gearbox (the rear motor cannot as it is attached to the gearbox), by reversing the polarity of the electric current.
     
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  7. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

    Nov 26, 2003
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    You guys are missing the point: an analogue manual Ferrari would be an expensive limited series and most "purists" wouldn't get into the list.
     
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  8. 9nb

    9nb Formula Junior

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    You’re correct! I was thinking of the SF90.


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  9. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

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    With a 296 Challenge engine and 1400 kg, you find it slow... They would have sold them endlessly like any atypical product. Their main fear was to cannibalize the sales of 296, they have a more pragmatic reasoning...
     
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  10. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

    Jun 25, 2006
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    No, it was a model under the 296
     
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  11. jumpinjohn

    jumpinjohn F1 Veteran
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    You are correct that it would have probably have eaten into 296 sales. If they did offer a special limited version of the car, however, I think many would buy whatever products needed to qualify. I would have two 296’s in the garage and two SF90’s to buy what you described! Yes, I’m that dumb! :)


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  12. of2worlds

    of2worlds F1 World Champ
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    This is really a new Ferrari marketing campaign of subterfuge to test the waters 'for what you can't have' with easy denyability. :D
    Dr. No at his best...
     
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  13. inox

    inox Formula Junior

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    By reducing power and weight you enter a territory of lot more competition. To excel there, a carbon chassis becomes more essential.
     
  14. Forza Scuderia

    Forza Scuderia Formula Junior

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    This is a really good point actually.

    Add it to the list of reasons why IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
     
  15. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    It would be as quick as an F8/Pista and with a manual transmission it would appeal only to people stuck in the past. Don 't get my wrong, I am not agnostic to manuals, I have been driving them for about 30 years now. Other than playing around with a lever though (a Freudian substitute for playing with oneself perhaps?), they don 't have much to offer in the age of the instant changing paddle-shifter.
     
  16. NGooding

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    :rolleyes: Here we go again.
     
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  17. Bundy

    Bundy Formula 3

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    Y’all really need to employ that beautiful Ignore / Block button! [emoji23]
     
  18. inox

    inox Formula Junior

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    I was trying to figure out more about Hartley Engines, a company from New Zealand that is building engines for the Nilu27 hypercar.

    It is run by Nelson Hartley. He appears to be a brother of former F1 driver and Le Mans winner Brendon Hartley. At least that's what I have to assume after reading this article:

    https://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/04/02/racing-relatives-brendon-hartley.html

    Hartley Engines should not be confused with American company Hartley Enterprises and its designer John Hartley, who designed/build Hartley V8 engine for Ariel Atom 500 V8.
     
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  19. CT Audi Fan

    CT Audi Fan Formula Junior

    Oct 23, 2011
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    Listening to music on vinyl is demonstrably worse in every possible way you can measure, yet … it is somehow more pure, more soulful and better in ways that cannot be explained. Same with manuals.


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  20. 4re4ever

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    One of the biggest reasons to listen to vinyl records is the sound quality. Vinyl records offer a richer, more immersive sound than digital formats. This is because vinyl records are an analog format which has a smooth analogue way with no jaggedness whatsoever and it's captured in the grooves of vinyl, while digital formats are a digital format ultimately made up of ones and zeros. This is not just about audio fidelity; it's about the depth and authenticity of sound that vinyl records can offer.
     
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  21. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    I still have a vinyl deck player somewhere in the basement, but I am really ignorant regarding sound quality. As long as the sound is clear (without the scratches/white noise of vinyl) I am good. But as I said, I don 't know much about sound; I even find FM radio quality more than acceptable.
     
  22. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    Work of art. It puts in perspective how low that V8 sits. Well done Ferrari!!!
     
  23. MDEL

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    I was in Modena and Maranello and took the opportunity to visit the Ferrari and Enzo Ferrari museums. In addition to the many classic Ferraris that stand out for their beauty and unmistakable lines and whose contemplation feeds our soul, there are not many opportunities to see a GTO, F40, F50, Enzo, a La Ferrari and an SF 90 XX almost side by side. side.
    In one of the museums the chassis of the SF 90 Stradale is on display and so you can see its small twin turbo engine in detail, and this way I understand better why the sound it emanates is light years away from that of any V12. The rest are three electric motors, batteries and a tangle of wires that connect everything together. If we want to imagine what the future electric Ferrari will be like, we just have to look at this chassis and imagine the ICE space filled with batteries. I won't say anything about what I think of the design of the SF 90 Stradale and the XX so as not to be unpleasant, but IMO both cars mirror what some of Manzoni's designs became, mainly details, details and more details.
    I was at the old factory gate and still had the hope of seeing a 12 C come out, even if in a camouflaged version, and thus being able to enjoy it live. I also didn't see any sign of the 12 C in Maranello and there seems to be very little movement around the Ferrari factory giving the impression that everyone is on holiday.




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  24. ajr550

    ajr550 Formula Junior

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  25. maximilien

    maximilien Formula Junior

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    Factory it’s partially closed for ferragosto Holliday like every year. It’s not the best moment to visit Maranello in this period due to Holliday. But effectively the museum it’s beautiful with pieces of art vintage Ferrari. For new area Ferrari everybody have propre opinion depend to age. But the world change and the brand don’t have choice to follow.
     
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