LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

It will definitely be quicker, nor slower, assuming they will have same advanced aero features, which are not dependant/inluenced by engine choice.
A newly designed NA V12 will definitely weigh less that a TT V6 + 2 electric engines.
Ditch most electronics and comfort features, make it a spartan track monster, and you can easily achieve a 1200 kg hypercar that is faster than the F250.
Also, manual is not mandatory, I prefer paddles on the steering wheel.

 

History repeat like the Jaguar xj220. However Ferrari could sell 1000 units of the F250 no issue. That's the Value Enzo and LDM created in the brand that is still working today. Lets just hope these new clowns don't fully suck it dry.

 

Except the market has shifted and analog/lightweight is in fashion and I personally don’t expect that trend to wane.

It seems to me like the Icona series offers the perfect way to satisfy deep pocketed clients seeking something more pure. In the end it comes down to ROI and in that regard, doing a retro inspired variant of an existing chassis/powertrain is surely more profitable than doing something highly bespoke.

 

That is NOT a Ferrari so go else where and order it.

 

My conviction is strong and yes if Ferrari let me badge it as a Ferrari I’d finance the entire thing and put my money where my mouth is

 

It would be so great if Ferrari developed a new N/A V8.
A modern, hybrid-compatible V8, ~5.0L, a bit larger than the last iteration of the F136, which had 4.5L in the 458.
A modern and larger engine like that would easily be in the 700 hp range, with the possibility of adding a hybridization of around 200-250 hp.
If it reached the 1,500-1,550 kg range, it would be excellent.
Buttons instead of haptics, even if it had screens. It changes the perception of the interior a lot.
So I'm talking about something modern, with cutting-edge performance, but also with a traditional appeal, bringing the sensorial and linear experience of the N/A.
It would be a great product, and could perhaps fit between the 296 and SF90 lines.
The N/A V8 is sorely missed in the line, it's been almost 10 years without it. The V12s are present, as we have the 12Cilindri line starting production, in addition to the Iconas.

 

Misses the basis of what Icona is - bespoke rebodies. The SP1/2 is a rebodied 812 and SP3 is a rebodied LaFerrari minus complex hybrid elements. Where’s the platform for your desired Icona? It doesn’t exist. They don’t develop platforms for Icona


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An N/A V8 would have to be 4.0L or less because of the Eco Freaks and then you have the Govt and some big business etc make insane money from the EV lie. That's why Turbos are being used as they add a heap of HP for a small engine.

 

That’s my actual point. They would have to develop it from scratch and accept a lower ROI in the name of prioritizing customers vs shareholders.

 

It might be great if the F250 flops (because of the V6 engine) maybe some different customers will get a chance to buy one at a huge discount! Maybe it gets so bad, they throw in a 499P Modificata for free! It also has a V6 … so that might be beneath the so called “purist” also.

In terms of a badge actually the one from Tochigi isn’t a bad one to have if you really like engines and not just their sound.


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It won't as the V6 is not a real problem to 97% of people. At least 99% of those on the list will buy it. Ferrari could sell 1000 units no issues and if it has amazing performance even more... Doesn't matter want engine you have the noise police are muting most of its sound like with the N/A in the C12

 

If they could even do it without losing money what does it achieve? 100 people get to own one. 90 of them sit in the garage. Maybe at 10 million 95 will.

 

Makes no sense. Why would any company choose to build a low margin product instead of a high margin one - whether public or private? Both high and low margin products can satisfy customers, a high margin product satisfies more otherwise the margin can’t be charged. If you have to sacrifice margin in building a product, you are not really satisfying customers best. You are building a product that you are not competitively geared to build. In the end, that works against the collective customer group’s interest.

You maximise value added by doing more of what you are competitively best at.

 

Lots of disappointment and dislike toward the car… well, I will fly there to see it for myself and decide [emoji4]

This will be useable hypercar for sure with hybrid and small engine block turbo. I don’t care if it is 296 plus. 296 is great car already. Price matters for some not me.

I will drive this thing daily on the road and track. Slide to kill the rear tires and enjoy the smell. I am getting old and road is more and more non friendly toward sports cars. So I really hope this car be my daily for next 10 years.

The one who drives most wins! who knows in 10 years you will not be allowed to drive this kind of cars near the city at all.

So in the end, people like me will buy whatever Ferrari throws into the face


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Aston Martin seem to have managed to pull off the V12 manual trick with only 110 units in the Valour. I'm sure they're not losing money on it.

 

Does the disappointment come from true prospective customers though?

I think those who will be offered are likely those who will appreciate exactly the approach Ferrari are taking.

This car should be a shameless tribute to the 2 Le Mans wins. The 499P at Le Mans is an incredible story that needs to be marked properly. If they can’t celebrate this, what is worth celebrating ever?

That means V6 turbo hybrid and huge aero. Anything different leaves the LM opportunity on the table. I hope they call it F80 LM or something similar. I was there in 2023 at the 100th running, Ferrari returning to the race after 50 years away. It is an unforgettable moment, the sort of story that a fictional writer wouldn’t dare write for fear of it being too unrealistic. It has to be marked properly.

 

Did they sell all the units ? At the end of the day it has to be worth there while $$$ not cover cost but make big money. As Ferrari has no problem selling a ton of units without offering it. Ferrari do not have to do anything to get attention. Where many of the other car makers need the attention and those clients to buy.

 

Money it’s a big problem actually for Aston Martin

 

All sold, the demand was higher, a friend couldn't get one !

 

The poor

 

Next step a hypercar with 4 cylinders and 4 turbos, we will say that it is a tribute to the Monza to justify the interest

 

Perfect summary

 

Absolutely true !

 

respect for actually driving the hypercar range!

 

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