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LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Ale55andr0, Dec 24, 2019.

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  1. ScrappyB

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    It could be in the middle of a deployment (or retraction) cycle which tilts the wing until it reaches the new higher (or lower) position. My bet is that it also tilts backwards like the Senna's when the car exceeds a certain speed or rate of acceleration in a straight(ish) line. Tilts forward under braking and articulates mid corner along with variable position flaps in the front somewhere to balance under/oversteer. Let's see.
     
  2. Lukeylikey

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    Hmmm, maybe. But comparing to some other cars, even other aero cars like P1, Senna and XX Stradale it seems pretty big to me.

    Interestingly, for 2002 Enzo has a pretty large diffuser although very limited top surface aero it seems.

    F250’s is also very deep and protrudes from the rear more than others. Combined with the rear wing, this promises a very high level of downforce. Could it reach 1,000kg?

    One other thing, the roof height of the F250 seems to be the same as the waistline of the hatchback behind! When you see them both it shows the extreme proportions of the F250.

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  3. cesman

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    That car may have great aero but boy is it ugly [emoji33]


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  4. Blackbird4life

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    When do you guys think Ferrari will drop a teaser pic? Before or after Mid-September?
     
  5. Enzo Belair

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    Possible that the hub will be switched to a single lug for production and move from the existing lug bolt configuration.
     
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  6. ingegnere

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    Considering they’re testing with what look like the production wheels—sometimes camo’d—and these are 5-bolt, I don’t think a center lug wheel is in the cards.

    In any case, apart from the wow factor of a ‘monodado’ design, the convenience of a standard 5-bolt design combined with what must be a weight optimized wheel design—hole in the middle, 5 satellite holes, better load distribution through 5 load points, and titanium bolts—the 5-bolt solution seems logical.
     
  7. REALZEUS

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    Why would they prefer Michelins? Michelin would have to build tyres to the requirements of F1, as does Pirelli. Gone are the days when tyre makers built tyres according to a manufacturer's wishes. Ferrari was dominating with Brisgestones back in those days, not Michelins.
     
  8. JagShergill

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    Really ?? Really ???????? after a few moments of even a rudimentary outline you say Ugly ??!so from now on , ‘Cesman’ will say the new F250 is ugly ?! Fine , but poor form old boy , so soooo perfunctory and Ill considered …
     
  9. JagShergill

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    The F250 WILL be epoch defining - well , 10years … what’s with all the BS re drivetrains etc -We Know that … It may be an echo chamber I’m in but I’m a fan , fanboy , fan man , whatever ! I’ve been a driver , not hoarder since 1997 … DAILY drive , rubbish ( really ,!! Track ( rubbish ) but , I love Ferrari - full stop .! if you don’t adhere to my ( totally unfounded , but I don’t care ) blind faith , fine !! Ferrari , albeit in this corporate world , makes me think a Phonecall /Chat might make a special …! Whatever that means …. None of the ‘PTS’ with Porsche - s color !??!????? Really !?!?!?! Grow up !! ( maybe a little strong there but colors , don’t equate to customizing … I dont mind being a Dennison. Be o
     
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  10. j09333

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    Bugatti uses 5 bolts if it means any…

    I hated GT3s centerlock. My wheelshop, even though they got paid more for the effort, hated more than me lol. It just stuck hard when you push the car on track….


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  11. 4re4ever

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    That's the door line
     
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    They were replying to a picture of the Senna.


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    Yes, I know, but it seems to protrude somewhat. Could just be exaggerated by light and shadow.
     
  15. 4re4ever

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    The wrap most likely
     
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  17. ingegnere

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    It definitely looks like the fender edge (unwrapped, as the color is visible) is not flush with the door. Could be the fender leading edge is dislodged or not well retained at the lower skirt, or door adjustment is off but I don’t believe it’s intentional like the offset at the front fenders.
     
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  18. Solid State

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    To be fair, a Constructor will always say that. You are a creator and, unless you feel you cannot do better, than the next one always attempts to be greater.

    An owner will usually see the special car they own or aspired to own as the best. An established collector has a favorite in their collection but I don't think I've heard them say best.
     
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  19. Lukeylikey

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    That’s an interesting thought
     
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  20. Lukeylikey

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    I always took it to be an example of his racing mindset. You will always know more with time and experience and so will be able to produce your best car. Whether your advances are as much as competitors is what racing is all about and he would have felt the thrill and pain of that just like any of the other great team leaders there has been over the years.

    To him, I think you could surmise the V6, ignoble 296 > F8. He lived on his own racetrack! If the 296 is quicker, it’s better! People often tend to talk about Enzo in complex and emotional terms but I think his mindset was simple. If you can go fast you’re the best! It’s a truism to a racer. He would most probably laugh at all the nonsense people speak in his name.
     
  21. cesman

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    I was referring to the Senna! A friend had one so I’ve spent some time with it and aesthetically I’m not a fan.


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  22. jpalmito

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    Don’t think so.
    Cooling device I guess.
     
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  23. 4re4ever

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    That's why I though it maybe an Air intake for Engine as most of the other vents look to be for cooling of the hybrid system and engine
     
  24. day355

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    I take the opportunity to tell you "facts" about Enzo.
    There were 4 privileged dealers with whom Enzo had lunch at the Cavallino: Charles Pozzi, Jacques Swaters, Luigi Chinetti and Gabriele Cavallari.
    I knew Cavallari because I had been his client and because he had a sympathy for me. We often spent time talking, and I take this opportunity to pay tribute to this great enthusiast who dedicated his life to Ferrari and the automobile.
    About 8 months before his disappearance, I met him while he was walking in the street. We diced 5 mm, then we went for a coffee and we stayed almost 3 hours!
    When I asked him about Enzo's vision, I have the following memories; he didn't want the V8 range and started to like it when Villeneuve told him that his 308 was a good car and that he liked it. He wished that the Dino did not have the Ferrari badge (known anecdote) because he did not want a V6.
    He considered that a road Ferrari should have a V12, because it had to be built around the king of engines.
    Viola what came out of these exchanges about Enzo, whom he personally knew for decades, Cavallari being one of the two oldest dealers in the world with Chinetti...
     
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