LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

I dedicate this to Valkyrie fans:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_c25p5tFFm/?igsh=bzRkMjVkcGZ3cTlw

 

I heard it is not reliable enough.


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This is partly why I cant see Adrian Newey going to Aston Martin F1
After they ran out of $$$ on the Valkyrie and then the final product falling short of his vision.

 

Correct. I have an acquaintance who was lucky (?) enough to get a Valkyrie Spider allocation. He usually won't drive it without someone following him in case it breaks down. Can't imagine constantly having that in the back of my head when trying to enjoy my $3m car

 

didn't break down, was being transported after being delivered new

would be cool if he shared some footage of him on the track with it

 

I think you might get a shock next week then when Newey is announced to be going to Aston in 2025.

If you watch the video posted above, the car is running while being towed onto the trailer, it never broke down.. It was trailered away after it was being officially filmed by Aston for this video.

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Do you think I would say that just based on one video ?
Many have broken down or had issues.
One of the guys here friend has one and and has issues post #4204

 

Let's be honest with ourselves guys, if Ferrari had produced the Valkyrie then we'd be wetting ourselves with joy at such a fantastic creation. The fact that it will race at Le Mans next year in the Hypercar category is the icing on the cake.

 

So true...

And also, lets be honest with ourselves about current Ferrari models having many reported reliability problems, poor/lazy design solutions, terrible electronics and interfaces and to top it off they all have serious over-weight problems , especially the hybrid cars.

 

Problem with weight?? Strangely, we only talk about weight when it comes to Ferrari. What brand of sports car do you recommend buying?

 

Mclaren and Porsche are lighter.

 

Of course the reverse is also true as there seems to be a contingent of posters here for whom Ferrari can do nothing right.

 

I am busy looking for forums that suit you in this case.

 

I'm Tifosi, always have been, always will be. Doesn't mean i can't appreciate, compare and enjoy other brands! But being Tifosi also makes me more critical of Ferrari than every other brand / race team.

 

There aren't many comparable Porsches and the ones that exist are not lighter. For example, the new, light-hybrid, 911 GTS has a kerb weight of 1600 kg, despite being smaller than the 296 (and 300 hp down on power).

 

My 992RS and my 4RS are lighter than every car Ferrari currently make.

Still waiting on that picture of the Laf on the scales you said you had that was 1585kg.

 

F250 is powered by a PU based on the PU of a car that not only participated in the last two editions of leMans but won them both.

How closely related is the LMH Valkyrie to the ‘street’ version?

 

Well they are using the same basic engine, of course like the Ferrari V6, adapted for WEC..

"Valkyrie AMR-LMH uses a modified, lean-burning version of the sensational Cosworth-built 6.5-litre naturally aspirated V12 engine, which in standard form revs to 11,000rpm and develops over 1000bhp. The power unit is enhanced and adapted to meet the performance window of the Hypercar class and developed to withstand the rigours of top-level long-distance competition."


https://www.astonmartin.com/en-gb/our-world/news/2024/7/22/aston-martin-valkyrie-amr-lmh-hypercar-hits-the-track

 

Let’s see how it will perform. The “basic” V6 was on pole on its debut race and won LM. You just have to look at the struggles of Lamborghini and BMW to realise how tough it is to be quick straight out of the box.

The 499P and its “basic” engine have already etched itself into history. Brilliant race car.

 

Neither of which is comparable to any car Ferrari currently builds. Not to mention that the 992 RS is also out of production; that car's closest Ferrari competitor was the Pista, which was lighter.

Can't seem to find the actual pic, but in those days all magazines saw the same numbers: "We start by watching a few techs jack the car up onto scales. After verifying a full tank, we huddle around the readout, which shows 3,495 pounds split 39 percent front and 61 percent rear. An engineer says the pile of data loggers Ferrari installed in the footwell adds roughly 10 pounds. We didn't have time to remove the equipment, so we didn't subtract its claimed weight."
https://www.motortrend.com/legacy/ferrari-laferrari-first-test/photos/

Quattroruote weighed it in at 1580 kg actually.

 

Well said !

 

The 992 RS is still a current car, its still listed and priced on the Porsche website.
https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-gt3-rs/911-gt3-rs/


My Pista was 1537kg with a full tank
My 992 RS was 1481kg with a full tank
My GT4 RS was 1449kg with a full tank

All weighed during setup by Manthey racing at the Ring, but on different days.

The current Ferrari that is in the same bracket as the GT3 RS is the SF90 XX . Lets not even bother talking about it's weight.

 

I think he means not comparable in terms of its power output being much lower than the 296's.

 

I don't really care what he means, the fact is, Mclaren and Porsche are building lighter cars.

I'm Tifosi, i just want Ferrari to use all their knowledge and technology to build the best driving car's on the planet for us. Right now, i feel like they are just profiteering.

 

So you mean the 5 years older, 200 hp more Pista is 56kg heavier than a 992 RS and you’re trying to say the Porsche proves the Ferrari is heavy? Or that the more than twice as expensive, twice as powerful XX Stradale should be the same weight class as the Porsche?

Pista is the same or similar class as the Porsche and it offered an extra 200hp in a larger vehicle for 56kg five years ago. I’d say that’s ok. And the XX Stradale is comfortably lighter and more powerful than both the Temerario and Revuelto and only a quoted 175kg more than the over 300hp less Pista and only 165kg more than the carbon-tubbed, more-expensive-ten-years-ago P1. It also seems to have about 100kg lower dry weight than the 918 (from the information I could gather). I’d say that’s ok too.

For the classes they build in, Ferraris should not be considered overly heavy in my opinion. It’s not valid to compare smaller, less powerful cars with bigger, more powerful ones and conclude that the larger, more powerful car has been built too heavy because of that. If you want a 500hp, 1,449kg car, buy the GT4 RS. It’s brilliant and one of our favourite cars. Pista feels just as light and a lot quicker. I do love our GT4 RS though. If anyone’s looking for a car that delivers similar road fun to the big boys for a fraction of the price, and in a smaller package, that’s your pick. Brilliant.