LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

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It was, in the early 1990s. Thirty years later, it is a nice classic.

 

It still is, Many new Ferrari are basically that only in name. My opinion of course

 

Whereas the Mondial T was a thoroughbred? Modern Ferraris are the best in history.

 

lol Mondial T was a dogs dinner as JC called it and I agree. The next is not always the best. that pass away soon after ENZO in fact after the F50

 

I am not embarrassed to say I am a former owner of a pristine Mondial T and I loved it. Not a fast or super-exciting car, but lovely to use and quite practical… definitely not a dogs dinner


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Name a newer Ferrari which wasn't objectively better than its predecessor, in the past 20 years.

 

All that matters is you like it. enjoy

 

What would that be objectively? Numbers?
Apart from the numbers, everything is subjective.
But, if your question is about numbers, the GTC4 Lusso V12 beats the Purosangue launched 6 years later in almost everything.
The Lusso is slightly faster than the PS in a straight line, even faster on winding roads, lighter, has a better center of gravity, and has a trunk that is practically the same, being a coupe, without needing to be an SUV/SAV/FUV/whatever. (450L Lusso vs 473L PS).
The only advantage of the PS is more space in the back seats, and the revolutionary suspension (which could be in a 2+2 coupe, if Ferrari chose to continue the 2+2 coupe lineage).

 

You could go round in circles on this all day.
What's do we call better ? Lap time, Feel & Emotion, Sound, Manual, Engine type, top speed, braking, HP etc etc etc ?.

For me The F50 is the best embodiment of what a Ferrari is since the 1980s. Manual, F1 based N/A V12 Engine , Sound, feel, Emotion, beautiful timeless design, A real drives car, rewarding to drive, still very powerful for a 4.7L V12, Open or closed roof. list goes on.

 

While the "thoroughbred" factor of the Mondial T (a V8 coupe N/A) is being questioned in your post, that adjective was attached to the name of Ferrari's SUV (or FUV).
Crazy times.
Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'm not bashing the "Purosangue" project. The construction and execution is excellent. But I think it should have been released as a 4-door coupe, like the Panamera. Every time I look at a PS, I imagine it as a coupe, that would be cool.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Daytona SP3 follows the same trend.

 

The Purosangue is not direct replacement for the Lusso, so that doesn't really count.

The ovjective parametres, i.e. how well a car goes, turns and stops.

Ferrari was the first F1 Constructor to introduce a paddle-shift transmission in 1989. What was so good about Ferrari's manuals anyway?

 

-That's one set but it's by no meaning the gold standard, nor does it take many important factors into account.
People Buy these beautiful machines, NOT ROBOTS

-If you don't know that you would never understand the answer.
Yet Williams F1 were the first to make a paddle-shift transmission work in a road car and funnily enough it was a Ferrari. The Ferrari FX

 

Buyers don’t choose a Ferrari over other brands due to objective parameters.

 

If you like a recalcitrant transmission, that won't willingly engage 2nd gear when cold...

Many people here would beg to differ. There is a reason that the company is engaged in a performance war with competing brands. Can you imagine Ferrari launching today a "hypercar" with F50 levels of performance?

 

I mean, nobody would have chose a 488 over a 720S if their purchasing decision was based on objective measures. Ferrari excels in selling emotion.

 

How many owners do you know who will use the performance of an F 250 ???
It is in this sense that Gordon Murray's approach is perfect: the performance for the professional drivers and emotion and pleasure of driving for the others !

 

F355 better than a 360
Challenge Stradale better than a 430 Scuderia
F12tdf better than a 812 C
Lusso better than a PS
....
We don't care about the numbers
None of them are made to enter the race, the 1000 Miglia and the Targa are no more than tributes...
Frankly, if we all wanted a lap time, we'd buy 765 LT by dozen

 

either having owned or currently owning all of the above I agree 100%

 

Agreed

 

tdf is way better than 812C for sure


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Good joke....thanks for making me laugh.

 

I agree , the TDF is more fun ( and scary ) than the 812C… I’ve driven my 599GTO , TDF and 812C back to back on some cracking local roads on the same day - I had more fun , and a bigger grin with the TDF than either its predecessor or successor …

In addition to the mechanics and aero etc. I’m sure Ferrari will ‘dial in ‘ some fun driving characteristics and some novel electronics … I’m guessing they’ll be some new Acronyms regarding the handling - which will trickle down to all the range … like when SSC etc was introduced .

In less than 4 weeks we should have some private viewings , lifting of Press embargo’s and a flurry of accurate info. Maybe I’m too much of a fanboy and my expectations are too high , but I’m expecting a true , decade defining benchmark ….. in the era of 2000bhp hypercars , extreme acceleration electric cars etc The F250 should be a ( please please please ) sublime blend of driving experience , fun performance and a technological ‘tour de force’.

I expect this thread is about to go stratospheric In the 2nd week of October ….

 

My expectations for F250 are:

F40/Enzo inspired boxy design with a modern twist. It will look the business - especially slammed in race mode with the aero fully extended
A technological tour de force with respect to active aero, active suspension and trick torque splitting.
Engine-wise, a motorsport derived variant of the V6 (850hp?) and 300hp hybrid electric assist

Sound and weight is where I have tempered expectations.