LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Good luck to McClaren - they’ll need it …. No insider knowledge , just a real certainty that , as always imho Ferrari will be dominant in this space . Am I giving blind faith as a Tifosi ,driver , collector fanboy ?! Yes ! In 6 days the first of the chosen few ( and very grateful ) customers will see the F250/F80/LM…ABCDEetc, and regardless of what else is released concurrently. will be having their (XX)Spidey senses tingling …… I’m actually not embarrassed to say I check Ferrarichat several times a day at the moment , and this coming week will be a bitter sweet symphony of kissing the wife and kids , checking F-Chat , placing dental Implants , checking F-Chat , trying to do some cardio/uber eats orders /checking F-Chat etc etc ….. my excitement levels are insane ! My poor wife looks at me with sympathy I think but then she says it’s actually admiration and sweet that a middle aged bloke is soo excited that he refers to Xmas eve levels of anticipation ….. 6 -8 more sleeps …

 

Interesting speculative post on InstaBrag… ahem , i mean Instagram … not sure of Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login the provenance of the source/account but certainly interesting …

 

I’m not sure Ferrari have been dominant in the hypercar space objectively for awhile now in anything other than desirability - other manufacturers have had similar performance

 

The F250 will have turbos….

 

True.
But That V6 is just better that V8 used in mc.
My point is , if they use that same engine (or some variant of it) like in 720/750 they can't reach 1200+ unless using huge turbo boost , in which case it is hard to justify 6x the price.
Or they have 3 electric motors in which case they can't have the same or less weight than 720/750.

 

Stay tuned

 

fair game. I have seen f250

 

You like or you not like please ?

 

polarizing, like most resent Farraries, but kind of less fussy in a way,
front and back looks like they're been designed by same guy/team.
In other way it looks more like xx car compared to predecessors.
More "focused" if you want.
I prefer Laferrari, to be honest, but I also preferred LaF compared to Enzo, so it is subjective.

 

I think with this hypercar Ferrari are more focused on performance and more track focused, I have some information about technical specs. It will be very interesting, can you confirm? Thank you

 

yes.

 

I can't even hear him talk.

 

Awfully difficult video to watch to be honest.
A shame that only one aspect of this car transformed the whole experience into a pain..

 

Thanks

 

I am pretty certain Ferrari will hit the mark on this car.

The current hypercar space is niched out, cars like the Valkyrie and One. Although representing a “pure” vision, they are compromised from a road going perspective. They are collector cars that only offer scarce usability.

The F250 with a proven engine set up, from a technical team that has been doing hybrids for over 10 years (PHEV 5 years) is a car that I am sure will surpass its competition from a road going perspective, as a car to use on the road. The Valkyrie will certainly beat it around a circuit (when it works), but at what compromise as a GT vehicle? The AMG One will be an interesting comparison, as long as you don’t incorrectly follow the start up procedure leading to the car locking it self requiring a visit from an AMG engineer.

The McLaren W1 will be the most interesting car to benchmark it against. However I think Ferrari has a better economic and R&D foundation to create a PHEV Hypercar than McLaren.

 

Very quick mod to sketch, but I think maybe you’ll see why body-coloured roof might not be a good solution: small window opening makes the car look quite top heavy with this colour scheme.

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Thanks !
Agree.

 

Don't you want to try another angle?

 

Not a quick job to detail a picture of a camo’d car… I’ll wait for pictures of the fully revealed car to try this again maybe.

 

You pencil works were always celebrated around here

 

Lets get real, the Valkyrie is not a hypercar, or a road car, it's a race car that somehow is road legal in some parts of the world, which does not include the US. You can never compare the performance or driving characteristics of a purpose built race car with any road car (which includes hypercars), two completely different automotive segments. If you want to compare this to something in the Ferrari lineup it would be the 499P Modificata, a purpose built race car. I would love to see the Valkyrie on normal roads, not being driven in the middle of nowhere (like this video). How about in the middle of Los Angeles traffic, or the torn up roads in New York, navigating in and out of parking lots and speed bumps. That is the real world that road cars live in. Most people probably couldn't even get this car into their driveway if they lived on a hill.

Sorry, but I do not want a road car that I have to wear noise canceling headphones to dive. I need trunk space, a cup holder for my coffee (I take really long drives), and some music to go along with an engine sound that I can actually listen to without being droned out on a 5 hour drive.

Don't get me wrong, the Valkyrie is an amazing automotive exercise, I would love to drive it, but its a different category.

 

+1000

 

The Valkyrie is currently the best supercar/hypercar out there. The US has stupid laws.

A hypercar is not meant for daily driving. It's sole pupose is to be driven hard on an open road or on a track during the weekend.
If you want a daily driver, you need a regular car, not a supercar, nevermind a hypercar.

 

It's not even that. It's a half race car half barely a road car that is neither good at any of them. (hence the existence of the AMR PRO as the track-only version). I doubt that in any track, the normal version is any faster than 488GTM. So, it’s neither a road car nor a pure-blooded race car.

 

Well lets see, I have all kinds of cars and I drive them in all kinds of conditions. Including an 812 Competizione, that is a track version of a road car, that I will most likely never drive on a track, because road cars SUCK on tracks, without question. And that is not a negative statement about the 812, I LOVE IT, its just not a race car. When I want to return to racing I will buy a race car.

At some point I will take delivery of my F250. I will drive it in all kinds of different occasions. Which will include some Ferrari rallies through multiple states, around town, possibly even take it on the tribute to the MM in Europe. I will most likely never take the car on a track unless its included in one of my rallies.

I will push the car as much as the circumstances allow, mainly in open states here in the US. But its not a race car, its not a track car, therefore I refute your statement "Its sole purpose is be driven hard on an open road or on a track during the weekend", at the end of the day they are just cars, and they do things cars do.

I said this before in this thread, once you track "race cars" you will never want to drive a street car on a track again.

Most people I know who have "hypercars" NEVER track their cars. from Ferrari's, Pagani's, Bugatti's, etc. Just as an FYI to you.

Also as an FYI, street cars are not meant to be pushed hard on a track for multiple laps, as they are not built for it. You will eventually have brake issues, you can boil your brake fluid, and so many other mechanical problems due to the car not built for the abuse. Sure, three or four sessions of 15 laps, no problem, but if you only do this with you car over and over, you will have issues. That's why race cars exist.