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  1. flash32

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    I haven't down much research yet but the ravenol Rss 10w60 peaked my interest

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  2. Solid State

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    Mobil 1 is not the quality it used to be after they changed the base.

    Any API oil is really fine as long as you change it often - at least annually but others want to go by mileage.
     
  3. flash32

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    Is there an article or study that shows that .. I use Mobil 1 exclusively and definitely would like to see the study

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  4. Solid State

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    I am repeating what was shown to me by a petro engineer when I was racing motorcycles. I used Mobil 1 exclusively in my cars and wanted to know what was good for a high-revving bike on-line. Sure enough, it was an age-old debate and the god at the time was this published expert. He had reams of data showing every important element of the black gold he tested on the auto shelves.

    I explained the great results I always had with Mobil 1 and he described that the base was changed (around the time Castrol was found to be re-canning used oil) from pure base to the same crap the really cheap stuff was using and steered me away from it permanently. This was in 2009 I believe. My assumption is it didn't change back. This was also around the time folks were adding PTFE solids to their oil as a 'treatment'.
     
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  5. MalibuGuy

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    Since many 458s have been around 10 years, oil deposits and varnish have occurred. Valvoline claim to have an oil to remove up to 100% of these deposits
    Anyone tried this new oil formulation? Which weight did you choose?

    (Shell owns Penzoil and Quaker State Oil)
     
  6. mdrums

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  7. MalibuGuy

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    I contacted Valvoline and they told me that they don't have a suitable formulation for the 458, which uses 5w 40 oil.

    So i will just stay with the Pennzoil Euro Ultra Premium 5W 40.

    I think I will shorten my oil
    change to 5000 mile intervals.
     
  8. tubedreamer

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    Does anyone use Motul Xcess 5w40? That what I use on Porsches and BMWs
     
  9. Sbow45

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    I use it as well. You are correct. The Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5W-40 is now the Ferrari recommended motor oil. It’s hard to find but I purchase it through Evo Lube Supply.
     
  10. Giallo27

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    Guys.

    W40 is on the short side for high rev engines.

    5W or 10W depends on where you live but I can assume no many Ferraris will sleep overnight off a covered garage.

    W50 is the first of the high performance oils.

    Ferrari recommends 10W60 for Speciale and Pista, guess why…. Of course this high viscosity oils steal some HP but engines rest assured under stress circumstances. HTHS is the not very well known key data in HP oil spec sheet and must be above 5.4/5.5

    I would never pour W40 into my crank unless my Ferrari would only go in and out to Starbucks and of course, I’d change it every year no matter how many km done. My recommendation is 10W50 for normal use and 10W60 for stress use.

    All the above is my opinion, of course.
     
  11. mikey64

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    Use only OEM recommended weight oils. Heavier weight oil in an engine not designed with tolerances for it will not end well. Once upon a time I thought Mobil 1 10W-50 was what I needed when I started seriously tracking a C4 Corvette. I was at Road America and spun two main bearings.
    The only time you need to address oiling is if you’re getting too hot. And you address it through cooling not heavier weight oil than what the engine is designed for.
     
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  12. mdrums

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    Ferrari recommends 5w40 for the Pista…not 10w60
     
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  13. Giallo27

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    If you read sticker on the engine bay

    SHELL HELIX ULTRA SAE 10W-60
     
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  15. mdrums

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    #40 mdrums, Jun 30, 2024
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    Well I’ll be damned! 488 Pista? I looked in a manual of one and said 5w40
     
  16. mdrums

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    If you read what I said …Pista is 5w40. Speciale is 10w60 I believe
     
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  18. PAUROSO

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    Ferrari F1 uses shell helix ultra with pure plus technology, I use Motul V/300 and a very good oil - liquid Liqui moly Leichtaluf HT great luck with the HT time for me to choose also the leichaluf has served me well (2008 F430F1)-Cheers -P
     
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  20. Eric C

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    doesn't the 458 take 15w-50 cause the engines are so old and crusty?
     
  21. mdrums

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    10W60 loose like a.....
     
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  22. Eric C

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    Haha
     

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