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  1. Most vintage or old cars do when compared to modern equivalents.

    For example, the widely beloved 993 911 drives like it's on stilts when compared to any modern 911 post 997.
     
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  2. REALZEUS

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    True! Newer cars are almost always better. As Enzo used to say, the best Ferrari has yet to be built...
     
  3. day355

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    What is "best"??? for the market, it's the most expensive, so a 250 GTO !!
    Your biggest problem is that you can't integrate the emorion factor, a bit like if you had the the way a computer thinks
     
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    Why are the Beatles so great? Why is Mozart so great? That’s why the 550 maranello is so great. Trust me no cars coming out today will beat the cars that have already been made
     
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  5. The only thing emotionally positive about the 250GTO is your bank account after you sell it.
     
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  6. REALZEUS

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    Markets are the single silliest things since the inception of capitalism itself; greedy venture capitalists trying to make money, selling crappy things based only on scarcity...
    Your biggest problem is that you believe that your definition of "emotions" is a global constant and it should apply to all of us. I have an E-Type Coupe 4.2 Series 2 (just for fun), thus I know a couple of things about this "emotions" concept of yours. The old Jag is a dog's meal to drive, compared to a modern car!!! Nowadays, these old cars are only good for people to look at and for the occasional (slow-ish) drive. I guess you would call the scare you would get when you would need to brake hard, as "emotion"... Some of us prefer precision and performance and we find these things emotional!
     
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    The glorious 288 GTO was able to perform it's fastest lap around Fiorano in 1m 36s

    A 488 Pista ....... 1m 21s
    A 812 Comp..... 1m 20s

    As objects, they are great to look at, and scarcity and desirability gives value to an investment.

    As for driving tools, the more modern, the more competent they are.

    However there's a little loophole around 2005-2014 where I find cars of that period are sufficiently modern and are more rewarding to drive IF they may not be as fast as their contemporary versions.

    For example, the last Porsche 911 I bought was a 911 (997) turbo, carboceramics brakes and manual gearshift. It's undiscussable that a modern 992.2 Turbo is way faster yet, the 997 not only is fast enough, brakes good enough but it handles and feels way better (more connection) than with any modern car.

    So yes, one or two generations away from current one there's speed aplenty and more involvement despite not being as competent as their contemporary versions.
     
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  8. day355

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    Bellissima !!!
     
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  9. REALZEUS

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    Grazie mille signore! Even though we frequently disagree, I must admit that you are a gentleman.
     
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  10. LMP

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    Well said!
     
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  11. Kuba

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    @REALZEUS - so why do you still own the Jag? You could buy some far better cars (accordig to your criteria) for the money.
    Ah, now I see: "just for fun".
    So isn't fun the factor that makes such kind of a car "good"/"better"?
    Somebody mentioned as an argument lap times - is it really what makes a car "better"? Especially regarding GT/weekend cars that never get to the track (as in case of most of the Ferraris. Not to mention, that 12C or Vanquish were never ment to fullfill such purpose)?
    Isn't the race for a greater speeds/acceleration/power in street cars an example of what you described as "basing only on scarcity"?
     
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    Lap times are indicative of capability.

    Best regards,

    -Somebody
     
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    I thought I remember seeing that the driving video embargo was lifting on Sept 26? I guess not. The suspense is eating me up.
     
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    asked a reviewer straight on, embargo lifts October 2nd.
     
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  15. Thecadster

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    Dang…that sucks. Another week.
     
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    Ferrari has a video preview now at Fiorano for the 'V12 Orchestra' and indicates the full story will be available from September 30th...

    A veritable orchestra. Do you know how the iconic V12 is able to release its symphony?

    Catch the full story on September 30th across Ferrari’s social channels.

    #Ferrari
     
  17. Camlet1

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    I drive a 550, and a F12tdf. Plus a few other horses. Calling a 550 a "truck'' versus modern Ferraris is a little exaggerated. Tbf mine was delivered with a FHP, but in everyday scenarios the 550 could scare many of the modern Ferraris. On fast twisty roads, it would scare them big time. True, on the track the 550 will show its age especially its weight, power and braking tolerance but still far from a truck. Separately, I've heard from one credible specialist dealer some 812C owners are looking to get back into the F12tdf because the 812C is simply too big, too powerful and too uncomfortable. As for the 550, with ceramic brakes and a few more horses, it would be sublime, and a steal.
     
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    It seems that you were well informed. Quattroruote is out tomorrow.
     
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    Today’s the 2nd and I haven’t seen any videos posted. Perhaps, the embargo was lengthened so as not to compete with the deluge of 12C videos that hit yesterday. I’m quite anxious for the Vanquish videos.
     
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  20. Kmaaq

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    Oh, I was talking about the 12C's embargo lol. Couldn't care less for the Vanquish.
     
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    Hilarious.
     
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  22. MalibuGuy

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    The Aston has all of its legacy flaws intact
    Styling is still pretty conservative So nothing new to see
    Performance is saddled by turbos and the short comings of the Aston engine design. 0-60 mph is 3.3–the same performance as the 2011 Ferrari 458. A car with 4 fewer cylinders, 2 fewer turbos, and a price of about $250,000 less.

    The 12 cilindri has no lag, higher red line and 0-60 of 2.9 s

    The interior design of the Aston also feels and looks less modern and less unique.
    But for Aston buyers this is what they are used to and expect.
     
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  23. Thecadster

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    The driving video embargo was just listed.







     
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    Consolation prize for the good looking Aston though.
     
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    Please, no Porsche variants with the perennial 911 variant and all other 9XXX.Xrs ... They all look the same.
     
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