Info about 1971 Dino 246 Serial Number 01294

I think it is whatever it is, but very very badly welded. Not even bad welds from Maranello , albeit this was Scaglietti.

I have only seen one other as bad as this, and it was a fake 100%. Definitely something rotten in Dinoland.

How can anybody expect this to be passed off as pukka? Downright insulting.....

Regards, Alberto

 

Well, you could just say let's grind off (cut) the welds and see what's below. The welds are so bad it can be welded back on

Best of luck! You really need it.....

Regards, Alberto

 

Hiding an original serial number by the serial number of a stolen car - that would be very original (maybe it's a real first).

 

Identity hiding appears to be pretty popular nowadays.......

Marcel Massini

 

Should not the phot the OP posted also have this doohicky thing beside the SS# plate:


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That has fallen off during the conversion.........

Marcel Massini

 

Guys don’t jump to conclusions based on a few bad pictures. The weld looks nasty I admit but that’s nothing new in the Ferrari world of that era. Also the bracket for the engine light is known for being lost in action after the first engine pull. Let’s see some better pictures of the numbers Marcel requested, especially the assembly number stamped on the bracket for the cooling system expansion tank.

Best, Peter

 

This is the car right?


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So how are you talking directly with the owner about a car that is being actively marketed by racingedge.com? I would think that would make them pretty mad.

https://racingedge.com/paddock/motorsport/circuit-racing/ferrari-dino-246gt-1725992881587


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Not he, they. They get a commission on a sale. So if you bought it directly from Evan they can loose out on a decent payday. Might even be a contract violation. In fact I would expect it to be. Or do you plan to compensate them or is Evan going to?

 

So, a couple of things

For "new" people when something odd pops up we get a bit suspicious. You'd be surprised how many try to troll here and get their jollies.

Second, when a car pops up that seems to have something to deal with theft, our ears poke up. Fchat has located stolen cars before.

Third, there are only so many of these. They don't make any more. We know a lot of them and their history as they are passed around and sold ending up -- back here.

Fourth its for your protection as well. We don't want anyone buying something that might lose them money. Whether that means a spotty history or some shoddy mechanicals. You have to remember these things are 50 years old. Lots was done to them over that time by multiple owners. When one pops up on Bring a Trailer often it gets critiqued by owners, historians, and technicians here in case someone is interested in buy it. Same for in person auctions such as Monterey.

Fifth, we look out for buyers and sellers trying to avoid scams of all kinds. Bad service, parts suppliers that are flakes, oddball ads on Craigslist, etc.

Sixth, the people here really care about the cars and their owners. Much more than Ferrari does. And owners own these cars for years and years. People get familiar.

I wouldn't take it personally. Information is information. Most times its better consumers understand what they are getting into than not.

 

Huh?? All I have done is point out that Evan has this car up for sale via a dealer. And that could cause problems for you. I would think you would want to know that before writing a big check.

No one is raking anyone over the coals, Mr. *******. All we are doing is showing the WEALTH amount knowledge we have of Ferrari. No one has yet said a bad or rude thing about you.

 

No, as not a 206 nor an L

Regards, Alberto

 

Not a first, but take care not to be clever make the welds too perfect
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-ferrari-dino-246gt/

 

I saw this car online for sale about a month ago and almost posted it. I was more interested and curious in its racing history and what prep has been done to it. Rare to see a Dino racing. In any case, it would be good to see this Dino brought back whole with its identity. I too would like to see the rest of the number stampings. So far it looks like it’s the true “01208”. Karl, thank you for sharing it here.

 

This car?

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Just wondering if the insurance company paid out the claim for the stolen vehicle, and then later the car was recovered. Is it possible that the insurance company took possession of the car and then sold it. Seems like there is a span of time between 1985 and 1992 when it started racing.

 

Yep that is as confirmed by ******* in post # 35

This photo is from Columbia River Classic, SOVREN vintage races, September 2007. 1969 Ferrari Dino 246 - Evan Williams

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimculp/1313641541

 

Well looks like this is gonna suck for you unless you're willing to take a big risk with this purchase.

Car is stolen. No one seems to be able to provide clear ownership records up to the current owner. Has a bill of sale only, which will not work for titling in the USA, don't know about Canada, but apparently that's being worked on. I'd be surprised if a title is issued.

As to your comment. "He has raced, showed and enjoyed the Dino since 1992 in the public without the issue ever coming up." That's because he hasn't tried to sell it until now, or has tried in the past without success. Once a car hits the open market, there are lots of folks who have interest, and information about the cars. There's a history gap between the theft and the current owners purchase, those gaps need to be filled in if there's going to be any chance of getting clear title to the car.

I'm guessing one or two folks here know who the insurer was. If they still exist and they recovered the car, that would be known. This car just kind of fell through the cracks by nature of it becoming a track only car. No need for registration, plates or insurance to do that. So didn't really need a whole lot of provenance, until now.

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OP - you are not working with or as a dealer, is that correct?

You're a private party looking to buy a Dino, this Dino - 01294. But if you want a Dino, why not just buy any one of a number of others on the market right now? Ones without issues of title or provenance. $350K for a race prepared Dino is maybe reasonable, but if you want to put it back to stock it will send you to the poor house and you'll be underwater by a couple hundred K by the time you're finished. If you want to keep it as a racing example, then the title - if it exists or not - should not be an issue for you, and the $350K? Well, if you buy a nice clean Dino and turn it into a race car, you'll spend much more.

But, if you want to slap a plate on it and drive it down the street, go buy something else.

Wondering out loud, have you ever worked at a dealership? Some of your comments sound an awful lot like a used care salesman.

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